Stash O’Neill said:
Pinnicle One Yonge and The One projects started construction at the same time. Can someone explain to me how Pinnicle has finished one building and well in to their second while The One isn’t even close to half way done. This is the progress The One has made since 2018.
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....it's pretty obvious from the diagram you did not give credit for, that the structure to build this is vastly more complex than the first tower built to a more conventional affair at about 2/3rds of The One's height. So apples to melons here.

There is also this strange notion being bantered around by a few who seem to argue in dubious faith, that financial incompetence is equated to constructional incompetence. While it's been demonstrated that the finances where the Flight of the Bumblebee in a mismanaged key, has not really translated over to the building side from what I suspect most can see. So if you want to go after Mizrahi for that, I am going to wager you're probably will be out of your league.
 
LoMein said:
There is a lot of knowledge on this forum about architecture but zero about development. This is not a case of a developer running into "bad luck" or "COVID". It's a combination of fraud and incompetence. It's all been documented and is readily available online. It's been posted in this thread for years. Simply read the articles.
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How long before receiver discovers tens of millions are missing?
 
I’ve always thought from day one that Mizrahi was way in over his head with this project and I’m not surprised that this is where we are right now.
 
UtakataNoAnnex said:
....it's pretty obvious from the diagram you did not give credit for, that the structure to build this is vastly more complex than the first tower built to a more conventional affair at about 2/3rds of The One's height. So apples to melons here.

There is also this strange notion being bantered around by a few who seem to argue in dubious faith, that financial incompetence is equated to constructional incompetence. While it's been demonstrated that the finances where the Flight of the Bumblebee in a mismanaged key, has not really translated over to the building side from what I suspect most can see. So if you want to go after Mizrahi for that, I am going to wager you're probably will be out of your league.
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I asked a simple question. Why do you automatically assume I’m going after Mizrahi? Did I mention his name? No. Did I mention incompetence? No. Why are you so defensive of Mizrahi? I may be out of most urbantoronto user’s leagues however, for someone who has a difficult time with simple sentance structure, I highly doubt I’m out of yours. I have no idea why, when there are so many posts previous to mine that actually mention Mizrahi, you would come after me, who said absolutely nothing about him. By the way, you explanation was weak and not helpful in anyway.
 
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Stash O’Neill said:
Pinnicle One Yonge and The One projects started construction at the same time. Can someone explain to me how Pinnicle has finished one building and well in to their second while The One isn’t even close to half way done. This is the progress The One has made since 2018.
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Excellent question. It seems to me that there is something overly complicated about the design of this building. Not wrong, but not something that just anyone can take on.
For example, what’s up with the RCS? Much taller buildings have successfully installed their curtain wall without such contraptions. 270 Park (Foster and Partners) as a current example.
 
UpwithOlives said:
Excellent question. It seems to me that there is something overly complicated about the design of this building. Not wrong, but not something that just anyone can take on.
For example, what’s up with the RCS? Much taller buildings have successfully installed their curtain wall without such contraptions. 270 Park (Foster and Partners) as a current example.
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Yeah, I was thinking it must’ve had something to do with the complexity of the design or engineering. It’s hard for a novice such as myself to know whether it had to do with that or other factors like location, project scope, material management etc. I think I remember there being a significant delay while waiting for permits to continue building above ground but, I’m not sure.
 
UpwithOlives said:
Excellent question. It seems to me that there is something overly complicated about the design of this building. Not wrong, but not something that just anyone can take on.
For example, what’s up with the RCS? Much taller buildings have successfully installed their curtain wall without such contraptions. 270 Park (Foster and Partners) as a current example.
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The RCS I imagine is basically there to provide working area for the installation of the panel system at the columns. The columns on this project are much bigger than on 270 Park. The curtain-wall could easily be installed without it.
 
Even undergoing receivership won't stop me from regularly posting photos of this behemoth of a skyscraper.

Part 1 of 4 taken on October 19, 2023:

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Bay and Cumberland:

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Balmuto side:

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Back Alley:

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Stash O’Neill said:
By the way, you explanation was weak and not helpful in anyway.
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Actually it was the same as UpwithOlives...they just used a different example...

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I would least like to thank you though for the clarification though. So with that, you can now take my last part as not directed at you then...since that's not what you where really implying as you stated.

...either way, I hope you find the answer you are looking for here! /bows

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This is starting to make me wish Mizrahi opted to use RAMSA architects for this site, as he originally planned. Wouldnt have the same engineering issues.
 
xy3 said:
This is starting to make me wish Mizrahi opted to use RAMSA architects for this site, as he originally planned. Wouldnt have the same engineering issues.
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I don't think architecture is an issue at all here.
 
Yes, but for a lot of people here, the engineering complexity is why this thread has over 1054 pages if every building was the same, this fourm wouldn't need to exist as shown by multiple other pages and buildings on this site, people don't want the same thing over and over again. They want to see new things. They want to see new technologies that is why this thread is so popular because of all the systems that are being used to build this tower
 
Why is everyone looking for a silver bullet that killed this? Let me describe this from the outside and you can tell me if it's setup for success:

Developer who has never built a high rise builds Canada's tallest and arguably most epxensive high rise, with structural system which has never been built in Canada, in middle of one of Toronto's busiest intersections, with overseas capital, and decides to fire CM and self-perform construction management in middle of Global Pandemic.

Developer started the development by smashing heritage facade in dead of night. Architect of Record is Core who has experience in local high-rise development of smaller scale.

Compare to Forma:

Storied high rise developer, who has built several of Canada's largest towers, builds complex facade with one of Canada's best GCs, funded by local REITs and Family Offices, with debt from Schedule A banks. Architect of Record us Adamson who has done drawings for most of world's largest towers.

Forma may die yet but we aren't in the same part of the river.
 
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