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CplKlinger said:
We should close our bridges in the winter in case they collapse and the river has ice.
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Lots of businesses in Edmonton and elsewhere are seasonal. The Edmonton Queen is a seasonal business that closes in winter. Ice roads up north are seasonal due to public safety concerns. Unless a gondola could satisfy public safety regulations, it would be a seasonal business too.
 
Out of Towner said:
Bad faith? Please explain because it's not an argument, it's the reality of a cold climate.
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There's literally gondolas that are nearly 450m above the ground (which also has a river below), between two mountains. Do you think emergency services can just put up a ladder there? No. It's a bad faith argument because there are obviously safety mechanisms in place in gondola systems.
 
The premise OOT seems to be working with is that a gondola rescue over the NSR would HAVE to be conducted via boat, as such a rescue would be impossible if the river was frozen. I seriously doubt that would be the way rescue services would approach it (even in the summer). Likely they would rappel along the cables to reach the cars.

That said, neither of us has experience in rescue operations so take what we both say with a grain of salt.
 
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an_edmontonian said:
The premise OOT seems to be working with is that a gondola rescue over the NSR would HAVE to be conducted via boat, as such a rescue would be impossible if the river was frozen. I seriously doubt that would be the way rescue services would approach it (even in the summer). Likely they would rappel along the cables to reach the cars.

That said, neither of us has experience in rescue operations so take what we both say with a grain of salt.
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The ability to evacuate passengers is something that safety protocols would insist on because leaving passengers stranded isn't an option. Besides an airlift by helicopter, what else is there?
 
Out of Towner said:
A gondola does not work without safety protocols in place for its passengers.
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And what in the actual hell makes you think that this was not considered by the people proposing it? Do you really thing they were just like: Let's throw some rope across the river, put some glass boxes on it and hope for the best?

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean these things were not extensively discussed in the proposal.
 
Out of Towner said:
The ability to evacuate passengers is something that safety protocols would insist on because leaving passengers stranded isn't an option. Besides an airlift by helicopter, what else is there?
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Do you even know how urban Gondolas are set up? They do not rely on a single cable, it's a whole array, with backup cables and safety precautions. In places all over the world, rescuers will access the lifts through those, in order to rescue passengers, especially in terrain 10x more challenging than a river crossing an a major city with proper infrastructure all around it.

As you said, you are not an expert. You also have not had access to the technical files, or the financing documentation, or anything other that the public documentation, so maybe you should stop finding excuses to justify your hatred for the project and just say you don't like it because it doesn't directly benefit your mode of transportation of choice. At least when we were talking about bike lanes, you'd do that. Still annoying, but doesn't come across as disingenuous.
 
Out of Towner said:
Paid service or not, if there is ice or broken up ice on the North Saskatchewan - which there is for good parts of every year - and emergency responders are unable to access the river and respond to an incident, then the gondola is a seasonal business.
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Ever heard of a carabiner?

It’s literally not that hard bro.

 
Ok. They're able to move cars along the cable to safety because rappelling people to the ground in the previous video is different than rappelling people down onto ice. One caveat, and I've been on the Peak to Peak, the price of a lift ticket at Whistler isn't the same price as transit fare in Edmonton.
 
Out of Towner said:
The ability to evacuate passengers is something that safety protocols would insist on because leaving passengers stranded isn't an option. Besides an airlift by helicopter, what else is there?
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Gondola systems usually have escape ropes for cars that are above a spot that is suitable for such an evacuation. For cars in a spot that isn't suitable, they can usually be winched along the line until they're in a spot where it is possible. And sure, in an absolute worst-case & unlikely scenario where neither are possible, then you could do a helicopter rescue or rappel along the line.

And of course the gondola won't work without safety protocols in place. Are you trying to suggest that the group that has spent years putting together the plans, costing them out, determining feasibility didn't once think "hey what happens if something goes wrong"? C'mon. There are countless gondolas in operation around the world, all with protocols, and probably the majority are in a location that is a lot harder to access than Edmonton's river valley.
 
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