Beltline_B said:
There’s some good momentum going for 16th. Nice new BRT stops, lots of development. If we could ever stop it from being such a car sewer we’d really have something.
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I really wish the city would build a dedicated transitway on 16th Ave. from Crowchild Trail to Deerfoot Trail.

Bus only lanes in the median. Two car lanes in either direction. Same idea as what's been done on 17th Ave. in Forest Lawn.
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Beltline_B said:
There’s some good momentum going for 16th. Nice new BRT stops, lots of development. If we could ever stop it from being such a car sewer we’d really have something.
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I feel old to have been around long enough to see the full cycle, the chaotic implementation and long-term negative development implications from the road widening project in the 2000s, finally giving way to a changing tide as market conditions and rule change overcame the problems of that improvement project. A long way to go, but great to see some progress!

I don't see the evidence of culture change yet in the mobility decision-makers to think this is realistic anytime soon, but 16th Avenue strikes me as a rare street where simply adding street parking would be a quick-win to convert it to a better place. Probably doesn't need it everywhere either - just add parking in front of these new urban developments and their shops, without widening the road further.

Ultimately bus-only lanes and further public realm improvements would be even better, but obviously a much more involved and expensive upgrade.
 
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CBBarnett said:
I feel old to have been around long enough to see the full cycle, the chaotic implementation and long-term negative development implications from the road widening project in the 2000s, finally giving way to a changing tide as market conditions and rule change overcame the problems of that improvement project. A long way to go, but great to see some progress!

I don't see the evidence of culture change yet in the mobility decision-makers to think this is realistic anytime soon, but 16th Avenue strikes me as a rare street where simply adding street parking would be a quick-win to convert it to a better place. Probably doesn't need it everywhere either - just add parking in front of these new urban developments and their shops, without widening the road further.

Ultimately bus-only lanes and further public realm improvements would be even better, but obviously a much more involved and expensive upgrade.
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I agree. While I'm not in love with on street parking, I find it helps slow down traffic, and probably the most important thing it does is provide a sound and vision buffer between traffic and the business storefronts. Our most vibrant corridor streets all have portions of on street parking. On 16th some sections, with traffic calming on the street corners, and sections for parking and transit would have a positive change without much money or effort.
 
Agree about the in street parking. It seems to work best on less busy roads with two lanes in each direction. It’s worth trying it in 16th, but would the city ever go for it?
 
I'd love to see the lane closest to the sidewalk used for street parking, and bus stops. Not pull-in spots for buses that slow the buses down, but extending the sidewalk all the way to the middle lane. (The exception would be for time points, where the bus really should pull in to a bay while it waits)
 
Red Star said:
I really wish the city would build a dedicated transitway on 16th Ave. from Crowchild Trail to Deerfoot Trail.

Bus only lanes in the median. Two car lanes in either direction. Same idea as what's been done on 17th Ave. in Forest Lawn.
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No brainer move! Just give the MAX Orange the same love that the MAX Purple got. Check out what's possible in the same RoW (35 metres) - I used the situation on this block (facing east) as reference.
Many of the car lanes are just stupidly wide, and could easily lose a metre of width and nobody would notice. Just taking out two lanes and tightening the median a bit gives enough room for much wider sidewalks, and a median transitway. You could even keep left turn lanes at intersections.
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