After riding Line 5 today, I cant wait to ride the west extension continuously across eglinton. the views from the elevated sections across the humber will be awesome. (I know some folks dont like the LRT popping up between Laird and Don Mills, but im for one glad to see the Sunnybrook park valley ... Midtown's got the views
 
DMICS said:
If only Metrolinx had competent contractors and did the SSE tunnel at Kennedy with some thought, Line 5 could’ve had a continuous underground eastern extension to at minimum Markham and Kingston Road.
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Technically, this is an Eglinton East issue and not West. ((EELRT) .
When they cancelled the continuous Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown, which was to go from Mount Dennis to STC, they also decided Eglinton tunneled as not required. That was circa 2013. They then scrambled to provide Scarborough with something more substantial (than the discontinuous SRT replacement) - even though the cost were much greater than if they just did the connected Eglinton-Scarborough. In that haste, few people cared about transit, it was all about politics.
 
Bojaxs said:
In light of Line 5's opening, was it the right decision to make this extension entirely grade separated?
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I agree with the elevated section but I vehemently disagree with the line being tunnelled west of Jane, it's just pissing away money on a corridor that doesn't justify an underground line and has space for an elevated structure simply because Dougy doesn't want to see the plebs when he gets chauffeur to work (when he shows up of course).
 
JSF-1 said:
I agree with the elevated section but I vehemently disagree with the line being tunnelled west of Jane, it's just pissing away money on a corridor that doesn't justify an underground line and has space for an elevated structure simply because Dougy doesn't want to see the plebs when he gets chauffeur to work (when he shows up of course).
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Looking at Google maps, could you even elevate the line over the already elevated highway 427?
 
Bojaxs said:
could you even elevate the line over the already elevated highway 427?
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No, but with some excavation there's room to maintain 2 road lanes and put the rail tracks in the centre, with sidewalks between the bridge piers:
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The diiscussion has to include the Fords' sale of land along the Eglinton corridor to developers, thereby narrowing the land available. Eglinton was always meant to be a transportation corridor. And it could have had a much more imaginative streetscape, Instead, we got a narrower roadway that made surface LRT more problemmatic - and a streetscape that is absolutely sterile. A perfect example of how little either Ford understood about city building.

- Paul.
 
I still wonder whether surface alignment duck-under portals at major intersections (akin to the new Don Mills) should have been considered for Eglinton West. Surely these would be cheaper to build than the deep- bore stations that are being constructed.

Before we plan any further subway projects, we need to take a new look at cut and cover methods generally.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
I still wonder whether surface alignment duck-under portals at major intersections (akin to the new Don Mills) should have been considered for Eglinton West. Surely these would be cheaper to build than the deep- bore stations that are being constructed.

Before we plan any further subway projects, we need to take a new look at cut and cover methods generally.

- Paul
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There were proposals of elevated stations over intersections, Doug just wanted tunnels.
 
Yep, in a deeply politicalized business case analysis, a majority elevated alignment (similar to what will be built over the Flats) was written off on a roadway that was literally designed with plans for an elevated guideway to go over it for decades. Mind you the transportation planners of Metro Toronto thought that elevated structure would be the Richview Expressway, but if anything that makes a 6m wide and much quieter LRT track all the less offensive.
 
Voltz said:
There were proposals of elevated stations over intersections, Doug just wanted tunnels.
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The reports by Metrolinx to justify the tunnels were hilarious. Hugely overbuilt stations with tons of unnecessary complications and elevated entrances from all sides of the street. It was clear what their objective was in those reports.
 
Bojaxs said:
In light of Line 5's opening, was it the right decision to make this extension entirely grade separated?
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Grade separated? Sure. Tunneled? Absolutely not.

Unfortunately the lands of the Richview Corridor were sold off to developers, which was an insane thing to do. This was always meant as a transportation corridor.

My preferred solution for the Eglinton extension (if the lands werent sold off) was at grade but not in the middle of the road like we always have an obsession with in Toronto. The street moved to one side of the corridor, and the Eglinton Line moved to the other side. Then, not transit priority but full traffic signal pre-emption. With crossing gates and everything only interacting with one side of the intersection.

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You know, just like how they do it everywhere else in the world.


MMMM look at those juicy cars having to wait for the train. I loves it. I LOVES IT. I DRINK YOUR MIKLSHAKE. I DRINK IT UP.
 
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