ARG1
Senior Member
Wasn't there an issue with there being a massive gas mainline directly under Eglinton that nobody wanted to touch with a 10ft pole?
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nfitz
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Oh my! I wonder if adding tracks to the yard for the additional vehicles is on their radar. And whatever new equipment/facitlities if they select something other than more Flexities.
Based on history, I'd guess whatever Metrolinx does is going to be last-minute and the worst possible decision
Monarch Butterfly
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Noticed that there are no signage to locate the escalators on the underground Line 5 station platform (noticed that at Mt. Dennis & Caledonia). Also, no indication that the escalator that you want to use is "out-of-service". If I knew that it that the "up" escalator was "out-of-service", would have used the stairs. Must have been approved by a non-transit user.
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reinventingthewheel
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crs1026
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There is, but that hasn't stopped anyone from digging sewers, basements for townhouses, telecom conduits, etc along the line. Or, for that matter, digging emergency shafts and very deep station voids for the tunnelled design.
I would like to hear some real data on what the exclusion zone around a buried pipeline amounts to, and how much of a cut and cover design would have actually encroached on those safe limits. That explanation just sounds like a convenient excuse rather than a valid technical no-go.
- Paul
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
I've been cycling along Eglinton Avenue West (when there is no snow), and there are warning signs about buried natural gas pipelines along the south side of Eglinton Avenue West in Etobicoke. That is why there light rail tunnels are deep and the stations are located on the north side of Eglinton.
fanoftoronto
Senior Member
Remembered something from one of the previous open houses focusing specifically on the station entrances of the Kipling-Eglinton station. They put a lot of emphasis on this station as it had to navigate the preservation of the woodlot as well as deal with the gas main on the south side of Eglinton. Not sure if it continues for the entirety of Eglinton, but the graphic does show it extending parallel to Eglinton on either direction.
Amare
Senior Member
This is exactly the key point.
The whole Crosstown West extension could've been elevated, or put on the north side of Eglinton had Doug and Rob Ford not sold off the Eglinton ROW.
So it's funny that we're now pissing away billions in additional dollars to tunnel something that never had to be tunnelled, because the Fords wanted to make a quick buck for no reason at all (or by their logic, because the gravy train was flowing all over Toronto).
Ladies and Gentleman, this is a prime example of what you call a Negative ROI. We are literally spending more than what we got back for selling off all that land. And what makes it even worse is that the land will be worth even more once the project is completed, and the city will get virtually nothing in return for the increased value.
Prime example of Ford Business 101, draining money from coffers because basic arithmetic cant be computed.
JSF-1
Active Member
That's being generous... The sell off of the land was an intentional act of sabotage to ensure the western extension would have to be built underground.
Westey
Active Member
I think it was an act of intentional sabotage to ensure the western extension would have to be built on-street.
I don't think Ford was smart enough to think that far forward. He likely asked to sell some land to make money. The on-street LRT supporters figured if the land was sold it would guarantee the line is built on-street.
Little did they expect Doug would have an unlimited budget to build underground.
Mind_the_gap
Active Member
If sh** hits the fan, would it be plausible purchasing the K-W units? How many extra sets are needed for full three-car trains to Renforth. K-W has 15 sets according to CPTDB Wiki. If the production line can't be re-activated, it might make sense to adapt their units, while possibly coordinating with Edmonton to get a good deal on replacements for K-W with Hyundai-Rotem.
Just wondering.
crs1026
Superstar
Call me crazy, but before adding more Flexity compatible vehicles to Line 5 I would explore the potential for an order of a three-unit long, single walkable trainset, with the Flexities cascaded to some other line that is more amenable to single/double car loads for the remaining life of those trams. eg Cambridge iOn extension?
More expensive in the short term, but possibly better for the longer term.
- Paul
More expensive in the short term, but possibly better for the longer term.
- Paul
Bojaxs
Senior Member
You suggesting something akin to the Hitachi trains we're going to see on the Ontario Line?
crs1026
Superstar
I'm brand-neutral, and not suggesting changing floor level. Just thinking strategically about futureproofing given the discussion about whether the need for 3-car trainsets will arrive before the Flexities wear out. I definitely would prefer an integrated 3-car end to end trainset than three Flexities with all their couplers and wasted nose space.
- Paul
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
Good view of the elevated guideway from ML capital projects update slides:
Don’t think there’s anything newsworthy here:
Don’t think there’s anything newsworthy here:
Ideally better egress too