Undead said:
Source? Nothing of the sort is happening at Finch or the TYSSE stations, at least.
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From https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-255188.pdf


...seven lots that are planned to be repurposed for Housing Now projects, as approved by City Council. All parking lots are under evaluation in collaboration with CreateTO to assess their redevelopment potential as directed by City Council in the Long-Term Financial Plan.
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For the redevelopment of the Islington Station and Wilson Station, they're replacing the parking lots with condos. I would expect after the Yonge Line 1 is extended northward, the Finch Station parking lots likely will be redeveloped (except for what is under the hydro lines). At least within the City of Toronto, for now.

Any remaining parking lots will see their parking rates increased to increase the revenue.
 
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JasonParis said:
Ford seems to like having a “west” project (Line 5 to Renforth), an “east” project (Line 2 deeper into Scarborough), a “north” project (Line 1 to Richmond Hill), and a “core” project (Line 3). If we follow that pattern, the next phase somewhat aligns—but with his eyes always on the 905 for voters, don’t be surprised if something more ambitious for Line 1 (e.g., Wonderland) or Line 2 (Sherway, Square One) gets thrown into the mix.
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Excellent point.

However, excluding the Waterfront East LRT (streetcar) it is difficult to see what that next major project would be for the core of the city after the Ontario Line.

North (North York):
1. Ontario Line north extension to Steeles (≈ 10.5 km)
2. Line 4 west extension to Sheppard West or Downsview Park (≈ 4.5 km)

East (Scarborough - East York):
1. Line 4 east extension to Scarborough Town Centre (≈ 7.6 km)
2. Line 2 north extension to Steeles (≈ 4.9 km)

West (Etobicoke - York - Mississauga):
1. Line 5 extension to Pearson Airport (≈ 4.5 km)
2. Line 2 west extension to Sherway Gardens (≈ 4.3 km)

Core (Old City Toronto): ???

Hypothetically a Dufferin Subway Ontario Line north extension would make a lot of sense in my opinion (≈ 7.5 km from Exhibition GO to Eglinton), but there's no evidence that there are any plans for an extension like that.

Can you think of any other possible core subway projects that are somewhat realistic?
 
drum118 said:
I said over a decade ago that the line show go north to Teston or X north of Mac with a station next to the 400 along with a 10-30,000 car parking structure over the 400 with a ramp to/from it straight on/off the 400 to it.
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At Teston, it wouldn't take much to extend the 413 Transitway under the 400 and come down to the parking/hub you're talking about just south of the Walmart logistics centre.
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duty free said:
Excellent point.

However, excluding the Waterfront East LRT (streetcar) it is difficult to see what that next major project would be for the core of the city after the Ontario Line.

North (North York):
1. Ontario Line north extension to Steeles (≈ 10.5 km)
2. Line 4 west extension to Sheppard West or Downsview Park (≈ 4.5 km)

East (Scarborough - East York):
1. Line 4 east extension to Scarborough Town Centre (≈ 7.6 km)
2. Line 2 north extension to Steeles (≈ 4.9 km)

West (Etobicoke - York - Mississauga):
1. Line 5 extension to Pearson Airport (≈ 4.5 km)
2. Line 2 west extension to Sherway Gardens (≈ 4.3 km)

Core (Old City Toronto): ???

Hypothetically a Dufferin Subway Ontario Line north extension would make a lot of sense in my opinion (≈ 7.5 km from Exhibition GO to Eglinton), but there's no evidence that there are any plans for an extension like that.

Can you think of any other possible core subway projects that are somewhat realistic?
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Remember that the City prioritized all the expansion proposals in a February 2024 report (https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-243162.pdf). From that table below, the highest performing LRT-or-above are 1) Line 6 (to Woodbine Racetrack GO), 2) Jane (Eglinton to York U), 3) O Line NE (Eglinton to Steeles).

Sherway is low, as is O Line West just to junction. I wonder if O Line NW would perform higher if you combined O Line W with Jane/Eg-York U.

Then you end up with:
West: Line 5 & 6 into Airport
East: Line 4 to McCowan
North x2: Ontario Line NE & NW extensions: both ends to Steeles (west via Junction, Jane, York U; east straight up)
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jcam said:
Remember that the City prioritized all the expansion proposals in a February 2024 report (https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-243162.pdf). From that table below, the highest performing LRT-or-above are 1) Line 6 (to Woodbine Racetrack GO), 2) Jane (Eglinton to York U), 3) O Line NE (Eglinton to Steeles).

Sherway is low, as is O Line West just to junction. I wonder if O Line NW would perform higher if you combined O Line W with Jane/Eg-York U.

Then you end up with:
West: Line 5 & 6 into Airport
East: Line 4 to McCowan
North x2: Ontario Line NE & NW extensions: both ends to Steeles (west via Junction, Jane, York U; east straight up)
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Yes I know I literally referenced this document. We’ve already discussed this, but I’m more interested in what’s next excluding LRT and BRT.

Obviously Ontario Line North and Sheppard East are the most obvious next extensions. This doesn’t need to addressed again. The more interesting question is what’s next after that.

This discussion is best suited for another thread.
 
jcam said:
Remember that the City prioritized all the expansion proposals in a February 2024 report (https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-243162.pdf). From that table below, the highest performing LRT-or-above are 1) Line 6 (to Woodbine Racetrack GO), 2) Jane (Eglinton to York U), 3) O Line NE (Eglinton to Steeles).

Sherway is low, as is O Line West just to junction. I wonder if O Line NW would perform higher if you combined O Line W with Jane/Eg-York U.

Then you end up with:
West: Line 5 & 6 into Airport
East: Line 4 to McCowan
North x2: Ontario Line NE & NW extensions: both ends to Steeles (west via Junction, Jane, York U; east straight up)
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The city is very unlikely to be the ones funding any of these subway or lrt projects so while it's interesting to see what they would prioritize, they will not be the ones deciding which project to build next
 
duty free said:
However, excluding the Waterfront East LRT (streetcar) it is difficult to see what that next major project would be for the core of the city after the Ontario Line.
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With the Ontario Line being the first major project in the core of the city since the 1960s (unless you count the Line 1 Spadina station in 1978), I'd expect there won't be too much in all of our lifetimes. I'm not sure I'd consider Dufferin core - but an extension of the Ontario line on the west is a possibility. I'd guess that there may need to be higher order transit on Spadina south of Bloor before anything else - it will be interesting to see how ridership changes after the subway station opens at Queen and Spadina. Another far future possibility is needing to relieve the Yonge subway line - I've made the case before of having an expressway subway up Bay Street from Queens Quay to Bloor, that then runs express up Yonge and Duplex to Eglinton and perhaps beyond.

In reality I'd guess the next major project in the core would be Alto.
 
duty free said:
Excellent point.

However, excluding the Waterfront East LRT (streetcar) it is difficult to see what that next major project would be for the core of the city after the Ontario Line.

North (North York):
1. Ontario Line north extension to Steeles (≈ 10.5 km)
2. Line 4 west extension to Sheppard West or Downsview Park (≈ 4.5 km)

East (Scarborough - East York):
1. Line 4 east extension to Scarborough Town Centre (≈ 7.6 km)
2. Line 2 north extension to Steeles (≈ 4.9 km)

West (Etobicoke - York - Mississauga):
1. Line 5 extension to Pearson Airport (≈ 4.5 km)
2. Line 2 west extension to Sherway Gardens (≈ 4.3 km)

Core (Old City Toronto): ???

Hypothetically a Dufferin Subway Ontario Line north extension would make a lot of sense in my opinion (≈ 7.5 km from Exhibition GO to Eglinton), but there's no evidence that there are any plans for an extension like that.

Can you think of any other possible core subway projects that are somewhat realistic?
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If they get proper transit signal priority for the light rail lines that really works properly as advertised,
THEN duplicate those transit signal priority for the legacy streetcar network​
AND get double-point track switches for " " "​
AND proper control for those switches (instead of the cheapest) for " " "​
AND remove close spaced streetcar stops for " " "​
THEN some of the legacy streetcar lines that use right-of-ways (IE. 510, 512) could be upgraded to become "rapid transit lines".
 
It seems Flexity vehicles are still being produced in Europe. At InnoTrans they were demonstrating Germany's longest tram which was a Flexity. Any idea when vehicle procurement for the Line 5 extension is expected to occur? Maybe they could move to 3 car trains at the same time.
 
EnviroTO said:
It seems Flexity vehicles are still being produced in Europe. At InnoTrans they were demonstrating Germany's longest tram which was a Flexity. Any idea when vehicle procurement for the Line 5 extension is expected to occur? Maybe they could move to 3 car trains at the same time.
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Secretive ML makes that impossible to tell when or if they will procure any vehicles nor what type of vehicles they are looking for till a deal is signed.
 
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