[81-717]

I rely on the city bikes primarily, which mitigates most of those issues but replaces them with the “is there a bike available in Midtown?” question. But yeah, I had one bad fall the other week trying to cross an icy streetcar rail with a tire devoid of traction due to the snow packed on it. This has put me off cycling until the snow clears.

The reason I don't bike unless the road is clear & dry is to avoid splashback getting my bike/shoes/clothes dirty, and to avoid slipping. I fell twice in 2024 within the span of only 2 months, first in September after slamming on the brakes due to a jaywalker cutting me off, then in November when it started raining on the way back home, and in that case it was that damn streetcar track indeed. Flat tires occur once every few weeks or so, which is enough to somewhat ruin the fun of it, since you then have to take transit with your bike. If only bike tires were as robust as car tires...

Interesting choice to put that barrier where 2 trams are coupled together. On the H/T1s, the gates on the cars form that barrier, while on TRs there are diaphragms & cables, but no gates/cables at the front of the train due to its design. While the TTC would never run 2 or more TRs coupled together, it's common in other systems, and in such cases there is a large gap where they're coupled together with no barrier (because it's hard to imagine the front of a TR having gates/cables). Putting a barrier on the platform also wouldn't work in Stockholm, for example, since there are 2 types of trains, C20 & C30, and the length of 3 C20s coupled together is the same as that of 2 C30s coupled together.

 

[McGillicuddy]

I can't wait until New Tenant opens! I love their service or product! It always make me feel positive emotion, and reminds me of relatable pleasant memory!

 

[WB62]

I can't wait until New Tenant opens! I love their service or product! It always make me feel positive emotion, and reminds me of relatable pleasant memory!

I always shop at New Tenant before taking Train

 

[adma]

None of these other stations are less than a 5 min walk (400m) to the next station... Removing Hakimi-Lebovic, you still have the two neighbouring stations within the Golden Mile big box retail node.

Yes, but that's if you view that stretch of the Crosstown in "subway" rather than "streetcar" terms. Whether one likes it or not, it operates as a de facto surface streetcar through that stretch--that is, it'd be like removing Vaughan or Wychwood or Arlington from the St Clair line, or Sullivan or Nassau from the Spadina line. Now, if it were (re?)built *underground* (or were more of a CTrain setup), a station like Hakimi Lebovic might be expendable.

Oh, I forgot about the Scarborough RT (RIP), where, really, the only "well-used" stations were Kennedy, Lawrence, and Scarborough Centre.

 

[Steve X]

The reason I don't bike unless the road is clear & dry is to avoid splashback getting my bike/shoes/clothes dirty, and to avoid slipping. I fell twice in 2024 within the span of only 2 months, first in September after slamming on the brakes due to a jaywalker cutting me off, then in November when it started raining on the way back home, and in that case it was that damn streetcar track indeed. Flat tires occur once every few weeks or so, which is enough to somewhat ruin the fun of it, since you then have to take transit with your bike. If only bike tires were as robust as car tires...

Interesting choice to put that barrier where 2 trams are coupled together. On the H/T1s, the gates on the cars form that barrier, while on TRs there are diaphragms & cables, but no gates/cables at the front of the train due to its design. While the TTC would never run 2 or more TRs coupled together, it's common in other systems, and in such cases there is a large gap where they're coupled together with no barrier (because it's hard to imagine the front of a TR having gates/cables). Putting a barrier on the platform also wouldn't work in Stockholm, for example, since there are 2 types of trains, C20 & C30, and the length of 3 C20s coupled together is the same as that of 2 C30s coupled together.

They take disability too seriously here and wouldn't want some visually impaired person ending up between two cars.

Any new cars would need to 30m long so they fit in the maintenance facility first. So these flexible bollards won't be the primary issue.

 

[81-717]

They take disability too seriously here and wouldn't want some visually impaired person ending up between two cars.

I'm well aware of the reason behind it, I was comparing it to other systems and pointing out why it's not always possible, unless they make some design changes to the vehicles themselves.

Yes, but that's if you view that stretch of the Crosstown in "subway" rather than "streetcar" terms. Whether one likes it or not, it operates as a de facto surface streetcar through that stretch--that is, it'd be like removing Vaughan or Wychwood or Arlington from the St Clair line, or Sullivan or Nassau from the Spadina line. Now, if it were (re?)built *underground* (or were more of a CTrain setup), a station like Hakimi Lebovic might be expendable.

Oh, I forgot about the Scarborough RT (RIP), where, really, the only "well-used" stations were Kennedy, Lawrence, and Scarborough Centre.

While Ellesmere was supposedly the least-used station on the entire system, not just the SRT (yet Bessarion gets all the ridicule instead), it wouldn't seem logical for it to have been expendable, given that it's a major east/west street just like Lawrence, even despite its relative proximity to Midland station.

 

[ARG1]

Yes, but that's if you view that stretch of the Crosstown in "subway" rather than "streetcar" terms. Whether one likes it or not, it operates as a de facto surface streetcar through that stretch--that is, it'd be like removing Vaughan or Wychwood or Arlington from the St Clair line, or Sullivan or Nassau from the Spadina line. Now, if it were (re?)built *underground* (or were more of a CTrain setup), a station like Hakimi Lebovic might be expendable.

Oh, I forgot about the Scarborough RT (RIP), where, really, the only "well-used" stations were Kennedy, Lawrence, and Scarborough Centre.

Except its called Line 5, and is listed alongside the other Subway lines, not the streetcar lines. Yes Line 5 is better than Line 6 in this regard because it has that subway section, but the point still stands. If they're going to pretend its a subway line, then its completely fair to judge it by those standards. If Metrolinx doesn't want the public to judge it as a subway line, they're free to rename it to the 534.

 

[nfitz]

???

The legend is clear that it's Subway and LRT lines. That doesn't make it a subway. This is as in the past when the SRT also received a line number.

 

[asey20]

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The legend is clear that it's Subway and LRT lines. That doesn't make it a subway. This is as in the past when the SRT also received a line number.

I don't think it matters as much to what the mode is called. Many would expect a metro map line to indicate higher order transit that would perform more rapidly then a bus. The fact that there are times where the 34 bus will overtake the LRT really questions what did we even truly pay for here.

Also technically, the ttc streetcars are LRTs, trams, etc. Why not include all streetcars in the map as well. Boston does it.

 

[nfitz]

The fact that there are times where the 34 bus will overtake the LRT really questions what did we even truly pay for here.

There are times that the 300 Bloor-Danforth bus runs faster than the subway train. Even the preliminary LRT schedules are faster than the 34 bus - let alone what we'd expect when Line 5 fully opens.

Also technically, the ttc streetcars are LRTs, trams, etc. Why not include all streetcars in the map as well. Boston does it.

A tram is a vehicle. An LRV is a vehicle. An LRT is not a vehicle. So technically that's false.

TTC has plenty of maps that show subway lines, light rail Lines, and streetcar lines:

I can't comprehend why one would give Line 5 a 500-series line number! That would only create confusion for the majority of riders.

I'm not familiar with Boston - I hadn't realized they even had any modern light rail.

But what Toronto is doing seems to compare well with North American cities I've seen, like LA and Seattle.

 

[asey20]

There are times that the 300 Bloor-Danforth bus runs faster than the subway train. Even the preliminary LRT schedules are faster than the 34 bus - let alone what we'd expect when Line 5 fully opens.


A tram is a vehicle. An LRV is a vehicle. An LRT is not a vehicle. So technically that's false.

TTC has plenty of maps that show subway lines, light rail Lines, and streetcar lines:


I can't comprehend why one would give Line 5 a 500-series line number! That would only create confusion for the majority of riders.

I'm not familiar with Boston - I hadn't realized they even had any modern light rail.

But what Toronto is doing seems to compare well with North American cities I've seen, like LA and Seattle.

Right, technically an LRT is not a vehicle, but you could argue the streetcar lines could be called LRT lines, streetcar lines or tram lines.

I wouldn't give line 5 a series 500 number anyways since the line saves itself with the grade separated portions and is comparable in speed to a subway, BUT if the eastern portion was classified as just a line alone (and would be similar to line 6) then it is definitely more akin to the streetcar lines then to the subway.

My point is that if line 5 is meant to be a rapid crosstown line comparable to our subway lines then there should also be concessions to make it more competitive on the eastern portion. I think its also confusing for many riders who expect a line 1 experience, albeit a mini line 1, but then reach the eastern portion and are reminded of riding something more akin to a streetcar. It just does not feel fast when you are stuck waiting for lights, waiting at the station and making stops that are very close next to each other. And Yes, I do realize that TSP will be addressed in the coming months. Regardless, I still believe that hakimi-lebovic and aga khan stops are providing little benefit to the majority of riders and the cons of those extra stops outweigh the pros. At least the streetcars don't make every stop and can have stops requested... but these stops can't even be skipped with how line 5 currently operates..

Now line 6 on the other hand... phew, wholeheartedly believe it should be a 500 series streetcar.

Alternatively, if this is the standard then no reason to not consider including spadina, st clair and any other streetcars running in their own ROW to the map and perhaps even invest in some more upgrades to those lines. Otherwise, this is also just as confusing for riders.

 

[APTA-2048]

Alternatively, if this is the standard then no reason to not consider including spadina, st clair and any other streetcars running in their own ROW to the map and perhaps even invest in some more upgrades to those lines. Otherwise, this is also just as confusing for riders.

This keeps getting brought up in transit nerd circles, but I’ve never heard any confusion brought up when discussing it with regular people in my life. It’s like “oh the new Line 6 goes to Humber College? Cool.”

 

[crs1026]

Right, technically an LRT is not a vehicle, but you could argue the streetcar lines could be called LRT lines, streetcar lines or tram lines.

I wouldn't give line 5 a series 500 number anyways since the line saves itself with the grade separated portions and is comparable in speed to a subway, BUT if the eastern portion was classified as just a line alone (and would be similar to line 6) then it is definitely more akin to the streetcar lines then to the subway.

My point is that if line 5 is meant to be a rapid crosstown line comparable to our subway lines then there should also be concessions to make it more competitive on the eastern portion. I think its also confusing for many riders who expect a line 1 experience, albeit a mini line 1, but then reach the eastern portion and are reminded of riding something more akin to a streetcar. It just does not feel fast when you are stuck waiting for lights, waiting at the station and making stops that are very close next to each other. And Yes, I do realize that TSP will be addressed in the coming months. Regardless, I still believe that hakimi-lebovic and aga khan stops are providing little benefit to the majority of riders and the cons of those extra stops outweigh the pros. At least the streetcars don't make every stop and can have stops requested... but these stops can't even be skipped with how line 5 currently operates..

Now line 6 on the other hand... phew, wholeheartedly believe it should be a 500 series streetcar.

Alternatively, if this is the standard then no reason to not consider including spadina, st clair and any other streetcars running in their own ROW to the map and perhaps even invest in some more upgrades to those lines. Otherwise, this is also just as confusing for riders.

I don't think anyone other than transit nerds care a whit about this. The average person just learns what the line is called and the average tourist reads the map and does likewise.

UP Express doesn't have a Line designation, or a TTC number, or a GO route designation. Is that confusing? Not a bit.

So far, I have heard Line 5 referred to as "the Eglinton Subway", "the Eglinton LRT", and "the Eglinton streetcar".

As a pickup line, "Actually, the Finch line is a streetcar and not an LRT" is not going to make anyone new friends.

- Paul

 

[81-717]

I think its also confusing for many riders who expect a line 1 experience

They'd have to go back to pre-2013 for that. That's all.

If Metrolinx doesn't want the public to judge it as a subway line, they're free to rename it to the 534.

Since the 512 St. Clair is the last 5XX series, Eglinton would've been 513. And while they're at it, they can introduce a 923 express bus.

BUT if the eastern portion was classified as just a line alone

So, treating the line as an interlining of 2 lines?

 

[smallspy]

The fact that there are times where the 34 bus will overtake the LRT really questions what did we even truly pay for here.

There are times when the bus will be faster than a subway, too. Should we remove subways from the map as well, then? It would make it awfully empty....

Of course, this point also ignores the fact that to the majority of users - those who travel at the busiest times of the day - the rapid transit line is faster than a bus could ever be.

Dan