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Roaring Flames said:
With the projected size of the combined Saddledome and Stampede HQ lots , they should include some restaurants with balcony seating facing the amphitheatre, and an indoor theatre alongside the outdoor amphitheatre. That way it doesn't feel quite as abandoned during the cold winter months.
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"Calgary Live" is exactly where there should be a movie theatre, Powerplay/Rec Room type place.
 
Roaring Flames said:
With the projected size of the combined Saddledome and Stampede HQ lots , they should include some restaurants with balcony seating facing the amphitheatre, and an indoor theatre alongside the outdoor amphitheatre. That way it doesn't feel quite as abandoned during the cold winter months
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Outdoor theatres are going to feel abandoned in the winter, nothing can be done to curb that. Could foresee a 2-3k indoor music hall, but all of the development aside from the amphitheatre/multipurpose arena/grandstand/ag hall...is going to come from the private sector, as it should. I would expect though, commercial development will face outward toward SP and Stam Trail, not inward
 
I could be wrong, but I think there's already pretty decent demand for a Calgary Live. Or at least a first phase. I don't know how things work for the Stampede, and if they require funding to do anything but the business case for Calgary Live seems to be there at least. I'd say it would be safe to book concerts there from the beginning of May until the end of September. Five months of use isn't bad. the PNE's Amphitheatre cost $184M for 10,000 seats, is that a capacity that work would here?
 
CalgaryTiger said:
I could be wrong, but I think there's already pretty decent demand for a Calgary Live. Or at least a first phase. I don't know how things work for the Stampede, and if they require funding to do anything but the business case for Calgary Live seems to be there at least. I'd say it would be safe to book concerts there from the beginning of May until the end of September. Five months of use isn't bad. the PNE's Amphitheatre cost $184M for 10,000 seats, is that a capacity that work would here?
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Capacity yes, cost, no. I don't see any group having the appetite right now to spend that kind of money...for what I consider only incremental benefit. Coca Cola stage is/can be temporary for Satmpede. We also saturate the market during stampede week with concerts galore...so typically for 2-3 weeks before and after, it's sort of a blackout with lack of demand. That's a heavy price to pay for a building that you would be using for June/August/September. Weather before or after that is too unpredictable. It's a noble idea, but curious the business case for it beyond $50-$60M
 
Tothewest said:
Capacity yes, cost, no. I don't see any group having the appetite right now to spend that kind of money...for what I consider only incremental benefit. Coca Cola stage is/can be temporary for Satmpede. We also saturate the market during stampede week with concerts galore...so typically for 2-3 weeks before and after, it's sort of a blackout with lack of demand. That's a heavy price to pay for a building that you would be using for June/August/September. Weather before or after that is too unpredictable. It's a noble idea, but curious the business case for it beyond $50-$60M
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maybe the pne included something beyond the amphitheatre?
 
CalgaryTiger said:
maybe the pne included something beyond the amphitheatre?
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Apparently it's had cost overruns that have 3x the original cost lol...so maybe there is no business case, but they already started building it and had no choice bc they need it for World Cup. Van is a much bigger market with better weather for outdoor, elbeit sheltered, events...so likely somewhat easier to justify??

Sounds like idea/cost driven by their city, supported by PNE (Stampede). With SP and Arts Commons, hard to envision ours investing in another spectator venue anytime soon

www.ctvnews.ca

Price tag for new PNE amphitheatre surges to almost $184M

The City of Vancouver confirmed the cost of the PNE’s new amphitheatre has climbed to $183.7 million, well above the original $64.8 million estimate.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 
Tothewest said:
Sounds like idea/cost driven by their city, supported by PNE (Stampede). With SP and Arts Commons, hard to envision ours investing in another spectator venue anytime soon
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Not sure where you get the idea it's a hard sell when the Stampede themselves just came out saying it was the top priority project in the 20 year master plan. The only reason they gave for the agriculture building coming first was the timeline for negotiations with CSEC with regards to venue size and use, and the demolition of the Saddledome still likely 4 years out. There's still a massive hole in the 6k-8k scale concert venue here that I'm guessing an amphitheatre would likely aim to fill.
 
Roaring Flames said:
Not sure where you get the idea it's a hard sell when the Stampede themselves just came out saying it was the top priority project in the 20 year master plan. The only reason they gave for the agriculture building coming first was the timeline for negotiations with CSEC with regards to venue size and use, and the demolition of the Saddledome still likely 4 years out. There's still a massive hole in the 6k-8k scale concert venue here that I'm guessing an amphitheatre would likely aim to fill.
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I get the idea from city council having spent a lot of money on spectator venues lately (SP/Arts commons), i struggle with them getting on board with a permanent amphitheatre if its going to cost $150M+...I dont view it as a city priority. When you actually view his quote, and look at the plan....it sounds long term, and could actually see it being more of a at-grade plaza, with a stage and partial roof....which you could probably do for $25-$30M. Not at all like the PNE, which i thing is wise of us

"Once the iconic Scotiabank Saddledome is demolished, the Calgary Stampede will set forth on a plan to create a live events zone that will include an outdoor concert area and gathering space. Cowley said it’s likely that’s where a future Coca-Cola Stage would go. He acknowledged that the current area, where it’s wedged between Nashville North and GMC Stadium, can get crowded “As the live district is envisioned and developed, it will accommodate the Coke stage,’ he said.
“Hopefully, (there’s) room there for 7,000 or 8000 people to enjoy a concert, not just during the Calgary Stampede, but year-round as well.”
 
It's 100% going to be a hard sell, for at least a number of years. The city is simultaneously building Arts Commons, Scotia Place and the Green Line. A fieldhouse - which has been on the "want" list for ages - remains unfunded. And I just don't see the political stars aligning for any other large projects of that sort for at least the duration of this Council's term, being a more right-leaning group, combined with the stated desire of the Mayor to focus more on "boring" stuff like utility infrastructure after the pipe debacle. I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's going to be a lean few years, much to the dismay of us city-builders.
 
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