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One last one today - the craziest one in Hamilton, possibly the craziest development in the province.

Stoney Creek back in the 1970's apparently zoned this site with no height or density restrictions, thinking that a developer would build an apartment block similar to the 14 storey buildings to the north along Lake Ontario.

Instead, the site sat empty until a few years ago when New Horizon purchased it, and decided to take advantage of the literally unlimited density permissions.

The result? three towers of 50+ storeys, the tallest buildings in Hamilton, 1,845 units, and a whopping 2,445 parking spaces. As. Of. Right. On the side of the QEW in suburban Stoney Creek.

Local councillors and residents are understandably... not pleased.

The site today:


The Site Plan application was undelegated and the developer has been negotiating with the city for the last two years over the project. Apparently the level of traffic this would generate triggered the need to widen North Service Road, which was just reconstructed last year, which the developer didn't want to pay for. Apparently the project has been scaled down a bit as a result, but we haven't yet seen those updated plans.


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I knew this parcel was going to be developed sooner than later, but never bothered to do more research on it.

Those existing apartment buildings have always looked tall relative to the surroundings - crazy to think they may be dwarfed, even if the proposed towers drop in height to some capacity.
 

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While I'm all for height and these buildings look surprisingly decent. I can understand why the surrounding people might not be all that happy in this case. This is, safe to say, drastically taller than anything within many many miles of this location.

It does give some interesting insight into what developers might do with no height restrictions. Would be super curious to know how tall buildings in Toronto would be if developers had carte blanche (not that I'd want that of course)
 

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Proposed Development at 310 Frances is a joke. New Horizons is planning on building 3 towers, one will be 59 floors..why? Greed..why not build to match existing building heights, 21 Floors. Our Councillor Maria Pearson has very little time to hear or deal with the concerns of local residents that will be impacted by this development...during a public meeting at City Hall good old Pearson was very disrespectful to the residents when they voiced their concerns and too busy talking with the developers..wonder if her pockets are getting lined by New Horizons..would not surprise me..time to change the entire council at City Hall..Why can't New Horizons do the right thing and build to match existing
 

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One last one today - the craziest one in Hamilton, possibly the craziest development in the province.

Stoney Creek back in the 1970's apparently zoned this site with no height or density restrictions, thinking that a developer would build an apartment block similar to the 14 storey buildings to the north along Lake Ontario.

Instead, the site sat empty until a few years ago when New Horizon purchased it, and decided to take advantage of the literally unlimited density permissions.

The result? three towers of 50+ storeys, the tallest buildings in Hamilton, 1,845 units, and a whopping 2,445 parking spaces. As. Of. Right. On the side of the QEW in suburban Stoney Creek.

Local councillors and residents are understandably... not pleased.

The site today:


The Site Plan application was undelegated and the developer has been negotiating with the city for the last two years over the project. Apparently the level of traffic this would generate triggered the need to widen North Service Road, which was just reconstructed last year, which the developer didn't want to pay for. Apparently the project has been scaled down a bit as a result, but we haven't yet seen those updated plans.


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too tall, build to match existing

Councillor Maria Pearson of ward 10 fully supports this development

this makes no sense, someone is getting kick backs for sure.
 
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Proposed Development at 310 Frances is a joke. New Horizons is planning on building 3 towers, one will be 59 floors..why? Greed..why not build to match existing building heights, 21 Floors. Our Councillor Maria Pearson has very little time to hear or deal with the concerns of local residents that will be impacted by this development...during a public meeting at City Hall good old Pearson was very disrespectful to the residents when they voiced their concerns and too busy talking with the developers..wonder if her pockets are getting lined by New Horizons..would not surprise me..time to change the entire council at City Hall..Why can't New Horizons do the right thing and build to match existing

At one point, the existing height of 21 floors exceeded the then-existing height, so this is an extremely flawed viewpoint. Also, you may not want to accuse the councilor of corruption without evidence.
 

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At one point, the existing height of 21 floors exceeded the then-existing height, so this is an extremely flawed viewpoint. Also, you may not want to accuse the councilor of corruption without evidence.
I exercise my freedom of speech. As I said in my earlier post why not match existing I have never heard a reason why we can’t do that why go from existing 21 to 59 it seems ludicrous but hey that’s only my opinion. However my opinion is shared by numerous people that live in my area that will be impacted bottom line developer greed and greed by City Hall stay safe
 

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I exercise my freedom of speech. As I said in my earlier post why not match existing I have never heard a reason why we can’t do that why go from existing 21 to 59 it seems ludicrous but hey that’s only my opinion. However my opinion is shared by numerous people that live in my area that will be impacted bottom line developer greed and greed by City Hall stay safe

Way to completely miss my point.

I fear that you may be in for a rough ride here, noob.
 

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Proposed Development at 310 Frances is a joke. New Horizons is planning on building 3 towers, one will be 59 floors..why? Greed..why not build to match existing building heights, 21 Floors. Our Councillor Maria Pearson has very little time to hear or deal with the concerns of local residents that will be impacted by this development...during a public meeting at City Hall good old Pearson was very disrespectful to the residents when they voiced their concerns and too busy talking with the developers..wonder if her pockets are getting lined by New Horizons..would not surprise me..time to change the entire council at City Hall..Why can't New Horizons do the right thing and build to match existing
Just to be clear, the situation at 310 Frances is a result of that site not being zoned previously. There isn't much that the local Councilor or city planning officials can do about it other than appeal to the OLT and hope for the best outcome.

They could try to negotiate with New Horizons to reduce the height to something in the 40-storeys but that would still be too high from you and your neighbours' perspective I would imagine.
 
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Even if these did get built at their current height, there's a certain contemporary yet utterly generic look to them. Plain boxes stood on end, with a few superficial curves thrown in... meh. Bland and stodgy.
 

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She is super corrupt, shes been breaking rules like crazy on new developments in stoney creek. She is for sure getting kickbacks. I'm in her ward, and she pulls alot of super shady, and outright illegal moves.
Perhaps you should file a police report.

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She doesn't follow due process, she sends out mailers to the wrong neighborhoods, doesn't use the required signage, and pushes things through quietly without public input. On this specific development she failed to meet 2 of the 3 requirements, in order to rezone a neighborhood from townhomes to a 9 storey building. When she was caught, council thankfully voted to restart the process. She is also known to change public meetings dates and times, on short notice, and then pushes things through with nobody there to question them.

We are all for development. But we need to be involved in the process.

I will edit my initial post to be less attacky lol
 

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That's Freeze Peaches! to you...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/stoney-creek-1400-baseline-road-1.5908608
She doesn't follow due process, she sends out mailers to the wrong neighborhoods, doesn't use the required signage, and pushes things through quietly without public input. On this specific development she failed to meet 2 of the 3 requirements, in order to rezone a neighborhood from townhomes to a 9 storey building. When she was caught, council thankfully voted to restart the process. She is also known to change public meetings dates and times, on short notice, and then pushes things through with nobody there to question them.

We are all for development. But we need to be involved in the process.

I will edit my initial post to be less attacky lol
Thank you for clarifying that.
 

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