[J.OT13]

Ottawa/R
Most support it but a few said we should limit buildings to 15 floors outside of downtown.A couple said we should have a limit 12 floors city wide even downtown.

CTV
Most said its fine one women said its way to tall .

I think overall people are more open to tall buildings but still a few have issues with it and are stuck in the past.

Yup. People don't understand that limiting height means more of the urban fabric will be demolished for new builds. Paris is always the "gold standard" but very few people know that a guy destroyed 60% of the City in the 1800s to build what's there now.

So, what are the odds this starts next year folks? Claridge's byward project should be done by then. Or is this going to be a Sky situation where it's on limbo for years?

I think there is a 80% chance it starts next year.

Yeah, I think that's reasonably plausible. Don't think the Market project will be complete, but at least topped out with cladding mostly done by the end of next year.

With the current market conditions (massive slow down in immigration, Federal layoffs), things will slow way down over the next decade.

 

[hoggytime]

Yup. People don't understand that limiting height means more of the urban fabric will be demolished for new builds. Paris is always the "gold standard" but very few people know that a guy destroyed 60% of the City in the 1800s to build what's there now.


Yeah, I think that's reasonably plausible. Don't think the Market project will be complete, but at least topped out with cladding mostly done by the end of next year.

With the current market conditions (massive slow down in immigration, Federal layoffs), things will slow way down over the next decade.

I don't know about that. We still have at least a decade of just catching up on housing stock for the current market as is, I think developments will keep rolling right through this bump on the road.

 

[jay2028]

Yup. People don't understand that limiting height means more of the urban fabric will be demolished for new builds. Paris is always the "gold standard" but very few people know that a guy destroyed 60% of the City in the 1800s to build what's there now.


Yeah, I think that's reasonably plausible. Don't think the Market project will be complete, but at least topped out with cladding mostly done by the end of next year.

With the current market conditions (massive slow down in immigration, Federal layoffs), things will slow way down over the next decade.

As for lay offs its not anywhere close to what people were expecting plus with DND and other going on a hiring spree it will be a wash.As for immigration i think it will impact the GTA and Vancouver far more then Ottawa.

 

[J.OT13]

I'm hoping that investments in defense and research will compensate for any public service job losses.

 

[jay2028]

I'm hoping that investments in defense and research will compensate for any public service job losses.

For Ottawa worse case will be 15,000 lay offs most will be retirements.DND is hiring 3,000 in 2026 with thousands more in the years after also RCMP will be going on a hiring spree.

 

[originalmuffins]

I was too late to say don't waste your time showing the SKY but squares are more accurate then what we all were hoping for. The heights are changing, it's being phased, it's being dumbed down like everyone should have expected.

This is horrible news. The Sky won't be the mega project it is supposed to be? This sucks.

 

[originalmuffins]

For Ottawa worse case will be 15,000 lay offs most will be retirements.DND is hiring 3,000 in 2026 with thousands more in the years after also RCMP will be going on a hiring spree.

This is factual. A lot of this is just to get those who are eligible to retire to just retire already. Maybe they'll go more aggressive, we'll see. But I don't think Ottawa will be hit as much as we think. Hoggy and Jay are right, we won't be impacted too much and we are still really down on stock. Part of the reason why we got that big announcement today.

 

[phil235]

This is factual. A lot of this is just to get those who are eligible to retire to just retire already. Maybe they'll go more aggressive, we'll see. But I don't think Ottawa will be hit as much as we think. Hoggy and Jay are right, we won't be impacted too much and we are still really down on stock. Part of the reason why we got that big announcement today.

I like the optimism, but I don't think it is factual. My knowledge of the core public sector is limited, but I am aware of thousands of layoffs already underway at agencies and Crown corps. Departments have also trimmed jobs and not renewed contracts in advance of the voluntary program. I think Ottawa is going to feel a big impact.

 

[jay2028]

I like the optimism, but I don't think it is factual. My knowledge of the core public sector is limited, but I am aware of thousands of layoffs already underway at agencies and Crown corps. Departments have also trimmed jobs and not renewed contracts in advance of the voluntary program. I think Ottawa is going to feel a big impact.

1
Thousands have got notices what is says is your job may be impacted these are not lay off notices.

2
When you get one of these you have choices

2a)Do nothing and hope your fine

2b)Transfer to another department as some are going on big hiring sprees

2c)Take a early retirement

3
Worse case for Ottawa is 15,000 most of those will be retirements 8000-13,000

 

[phil235]

1
Thousands have got notices what is says is your job may be impacted these are not lay off notices.

2
When you get one of these you have choices

2a)Do nothing and hope your fine

2b)Transfer to another department as some are going on big hiring sprees

2c)Take a early retirement

3
Worse case for Ottawa is 15,000 most of those will be retirements 8000-13,000

That doesn't apply to Crowns and employees who aren't part of the core public service (think museums, the NAC, the NCC, CMHC, EDC, Mint, Bank of Canada, AECL, CDIC, Canada Post, CBC, CCC, the courts etc.) Those organizations employ thousands of people in Ottawa and were also directed to cut 15% of their budgets. Trust me, I am directly involved and there are significant layoffs that are real job losses.

Also, core departments have been doing a bunch of cutting prior to this current round. Just look at the numbers for public service employment and you will see the impact. Or look at the recent unemployment figures for Ottawa Gatineau. Our unemployment rate has been tracking well above the national average and higher than it has been in years. We lost another 6000 jobs in November.

 

[jay2028]

That doesn't apply to Crowns and employees who aren't part of the core public service. Those organizations were also directed to cut 15% of their budgets. Trust me, I am directly involved and there are significant layoffs that are real job losses.

Also, core departments have been doing a bunch of cutting prior to this current round. Just look at the numbers for public service employment and you will see the impact. Or look at the recent unemployment figures for Ottawa Gatineau. Our unemployment rate has been tracking well above the national average and higher than it has been in years. We lost another 6000 jobs in november

Look at cities adding what seems like thousands of jobs a large amount of them are in retail.As for Nov i work seasons the sector lays off 90% of there stff for the winer Nov-Apr thats about 3000 that were some of the 6000 last month.

 

[phil235]

Look at cities adding what seems like thousands of jobs a large amount of them are in retail.As for Nov i work seasons the sector lays off 90% of there stff for the winer Nov-Apr thats about 3000 that were some of the 6000 last month.

The rise in unemployment started well before November. Look, I hope that we come out of this with relatively little pain, but the evidence suggests otherwise.