Do you support the proposal for the new arena?

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 66.7%

  • No

    Votes: 38 27.0%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 9 6.4%
  • Total voters
    141
Tothewest said:
Wrong thread, but very relevant and important nonetheless! Renderings always look fastforwarded 10+ years with respect to landscaping, its the placement and assortment imo, that are important at opening day. With regards to the EC, i did like the retail/landscaping/lighting vibe we saw on 4th on V1, felt welcoming, will likely not see a regression in this space.

I did see a tweet from CSEC event employee, that they were given a sneak peak at the EC interior this wknd. Im not sure whether to be suprised or happy at that lol. My hope is they always had a plan A bowl done if budget allowed, but ended up pivoting to plan B when it got tight. Thus they just dusted off A 🤞🤞🤞🤞
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Can you give the link to that tweet?
 
Now I'm curious if HOK and Dialog could have begun working behind the scenes on the design at some point between the initial April announcement and the October final agreements. Especially considering that the only provincial money going into the project is half the funds toward the community arena. Or did the final agreements need to be signed before any work began? This is way earlier than I thought they would have anything worth showing if they just started a month ago!
 
The city is the client. They could have resumed work at any time at the city request. I am sure they were engaged to some extent during the reorientation and site expansion, and since then. No reason to wait when a few months delay would cost more than the first few months of work. Large projects have a logic all their own.
 
darwink said:
The city is the client. They could have resumed work at any time at the city request. I am sure they were engaged to some extent during the reorientation and site expansion, and since then. No reason to wait when a few months delay would cost more than the first few months of work. Large projects have a logic all their own
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very possible and likely. But either way, these arena bowls are 80-90% the same anyway, with subtle changes to premium layouts, whether concourse is mid-bowl or top of bowl, perhaps a separate mid-bowl concourse for clubs, ect.... 4-6 weeks of work may actually be a lot of time to edit what they already had.
 
I think you can expect a traditional style of arena concourse with attached retail like last time instead of something as grand as Little Caesars unfortunately. With a 37 meter wide parkade and 40-50 meter wide community arena most of the added space is already taken up. There's really only a bit of extra room east-west aside from more space in the corners for the plazas and the indoor plaza on the south side.
 
Duck Lightning said:
I think you can expect a traditional style of arena concourse with attached retail like last time instead of something as grand as Little Caesars unfortunately. With a 37 meter wide parkade and 40-50 meter wide community arena most of the added space is already taken up. There's really only a bit of extra room east-west aside from more space in the corners for the plazas and the indoor plaza on the south side.
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That’s ok. I really desire the close up look at a new Ram truck and getting brushed by thousands of people while I wait in line for a $15 malt.
 
Duck Lightning said:
I think you can expect a traditional style of arena concourse with attached retail like last time instead of something as grand as Little Caesars unfortunately. With a 37 meter wide parkade and 40-50 meter wide community arena most of the added space is already taken up. There's really only a bit of extra room east-west aside from more space in the corners for the plazas and the indoor plaza on the south side.
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The garage was there before, and luckily the community rink is on a corner (dead space, as you mentioned), so there is a net addition, albeit not massive, but it is there. Something as small as 15 ft on all sides would do wonders. Endzone club spaces wont be crammed, additional event level space could free up operational things previously on concourse level, and most importantly, the lower bowl doesn't need to be stacked. The net gain will be most realized where it matters, on the ends with the reorientation. It didn't take a rocket scientist to see, that is where things fell apart
 

I decided to do some measuring!​

The space N-S for the previous project was 180 meters from the sidewalk on 14th Ave to the greenway along 12th Ave which is expected to stay. Subtract 37 meters and you have the N-S length of the arena = 143 meters
For the space needed E-W in the new project you first need to measure out the officially currently non-existent 5A Street which if it's like the design for 5th Street in the previous project should be 3 lanes. So from the sidewalk at the youth campus you measure 13.2 meters west for three 3.3 meter lanes and one 3.3 meter sidewalk. From that point you measure out 37 meters so you can remove the parkade from the measurement. Then measuring from the parkade to the Stampede trail sidewalk you get 180 meters. We now measure from sidewalk to sidewalk on Stampede Trail and 5th Street E-W for the previous project and get 150 meters and we already know that N-S length is 180 meters so if we subtract a generous 40 meters for the community rink we get 140 meters.

Arena +retail dimensions in the new project:
180 meters long (E-W) x 140 wide (N-S)
Arena +retail dimensions in the old project:
143 meters long (N-S) x 150 wide (E-W)

It should be noted that the community arena at Rogers Place is closer to 45 meters in width so that 140 meters may be a bit generous. I was also not exactly sure where to measure from to get accurate measurements to the new Stampede Trail so I just used the existent one. This is also ignoring the land for sale in the NE corner that extends 48 meters E-W so the E-W measurement on the new arena might be closer to 170 meters.

For comparison the dimensions of the arena at Rogers place (without the casino and community rink) in Edmonton are 131 meters wide by 168 meters long
 
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Very helpful @Duck Lightning! So basically, a wider and longer version of rogers, which will serve us well. Keep in mind too, the entry plaza(s) on the SW side uses the same "depth" as the community arena, so are also outside that footprint. Rogers doesnt have retail, but the 12 meters (40ft) extra certainly helps accommodate this. Certainly for those that have been to Rogers we should be well served, there is plenty of room inside, just a horrible street presence. I am getting somewhat Little Caesars vibes, based on what you've described
 
Remember those measurements are with retail and Rogers Place has no retail. In the last project there was around 20 meters of restaurant space on the west side so if you take that off the E-W measurements this time it's likely close to 150 meters which is 18 meters shorter than Rogers Place.
 
MissingMiddle said:
I wonder if the primary restaurant side will remain along Stampede Trail, or follow the rotation of the building and end up on 12th Ave.
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Just based on the rough layout of the space allocation, it would appear they are now going with a shallower retail presence on stampede trail, with a deeper space on 12th? It doesn't mean a restaurant or two can't be on stam. trail, it'll just be orientated differently.

Curious what some thoughts are, obviously the indoor/outdoor plaza will provide a space for a restaurant/bar no question...but with more development happening to the north of EC, along with the green line station....would the plaza not be better served on the NW corner?

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