thecivilengineer
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AECON is Canadian construction firm, whereas AECOM is from the states and is consulting firm.
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AllanS
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I have seen over and over mention of a Calgary Grand Station. Is there actually any information on what the plan is here? Or is it all theoretical?
Is there a location? Where?
Has land been bought/acquired/set aside?
Don't see any real mention in the Green Line documents - so assuming this is a Provincial plan and something that already have the land for?
If it is all theoretical, how is there ever any way to tie the Green Line into something that there isn't even any form of plan for?
Is there a location? Where?
Has land been bought/acquired/set aside?
Don't see any real mention in the Green Line documents - so assuming this is a Provincial plan and something that already have the land for?
If it is all theoretical, how is there ever any way to tie the Green Line into something that there isn't even any form of plan for?
MichaelS
Senior Member
The details are still conceptual, but I think it has been a plan for quite some time (at a high level at least) to have a high speed rail station there. The Province acquired land from CP rail years ago, which resulted in a lawsuit from Remington Develompent I think to CP rail:
calgaryherald.com
Judge orders $163 million in damages to developer that planned to build 'Rail Town' on CPR lands
CPR had agreed to sell three parcels of land to Remington in November 2002, bordering the rail line between 9 and 10 Ave. S.E.
calgaryherald.com
darwink
Senior Member
Yes. Edit:But maybe now it is a heavy interest instead of outright ownership?| in the 2000s when Ed Stelmach was transportation minister iirc. But buying Aspen's Palliser square and selling the land they've owned as a contingency is smarter. Shall see!
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O-tac
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I thought it was stated that AECON is the construction wing of AECOM which is the engineering firm.
thecivilengineer
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NOPE, Completely different organizations.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
I just don't know if there's room there... At least east of 4th Street SE you have room on either side of the tracks for it. Saying that I don't know what the province versus Remington own.
darwink
Senior Member
If someone is willing to pay, and no assurance of the document being more legible, here is the easement and right of way plan filled by the province for the block in October of last year I believe to carve out a bit of the now consolidated Lot for the 6th St SE underpass (there are a lot of concurrent filings, I think to figure out closing 5th St SE for the arena project):
Lot 42 was previously not consolidated. Whether I last looked at this 5 years ago or 10 years ago though, I can't recall. At the time, you could clearly see the lots the province had bought previously, how they fanned out towards 4th St SE in a manner akin to platforms and tracks leading to them.
This document shows the owner as Remington as of March 2021. The law suit could have ended with ownership changing but interests still existing.
lemongrab
Active Member
I'm curious what the design would even look like. For the foreseeable future it seems trains would only be running to the north, so on the northern most track when entering downtown...wouldn't the station make sense between the tracks and 9th Ave? Otherwise it needs to cross all 4 tracks, meaning they have to be empty?
How big does it even need to be? Does it need more than one platform for the next...50 years?
How big does it even need to be? Does it need more than one platform for the next...50 years?
darwink
Senior Member
A part of the ongoing airport access study is about planning for something akin to a basket weave in Inglewood, which is where lowest minimum cost for airport access only (likely one track) would potentially lock in constrained capacity which would squeeze any other future service.
Ramsayite
Active Member
Trying to understand how a basket-weave for rail in Inglewood would even work.
This is what the project area for the Airport Rail Connector study looks like.
Will be interesting to see what it comes up with.
One way or the other, gonna be some big viaducts and elevated sections.
This is what the project area for the Airport Rail Connector study looks like.
Will be interesting to see what it comes up with.
One way or the other, gonna be some big viaducts and elevated sections.
lemongrab
Active Member
Meaning it switches across the 4-5 tracks in that span and no other trains can really be using that space at that time? Or grade separation?
I see the single track constraint across the Bow (and then Fox Hollow to Beddington where it wouldn't be very difficult to twin), and then from 14th Street west (plenty of spots to at least add sidings). Negotiating the north constraint seems fairly simple, but doesn't a station to south of the tracks make things way more complicated? Constraining it to the point where a 'grand central station' is completely unnecessary?
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Calgcouver
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Just connect the blue line to the airport via 60 St > Airport Trail > Barlow Trail. It doesn't have to be this hard.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
You can just imagine the area north of the track and south of 9th ave being a parking lot/lobby. South of the tracks is where you would transfer from the green line (kept it on topic), transfer between other trains etc. I cannot make sense of those images so maybe they indicate otherwise.
darwink
Senior Member
Unfortunately that isn't the greatest idea for transit north of Airport Trail, or at the airport as drumroll, the NE line is frequency constrained due to the Red Line interline downtown.