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Superstar
I'd love something like the Sogo screen up there...
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Posts about the W Hotel portion of the Hudson's Bay Centre renovations have been moved to a new thread.
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DSC
Superstar
Not sure how long it has been damaged but the "B" in the Bay sign at the top of the building is falling to pieces - an omen?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Richard White
Senior Member
Oddly enough they call it their "flagship" store.
khris
Senior Member
They do? I've only heard them refer to their flagship store as the one at Yonge and Queen.
Richard White
Senior Member
I've heard it referred to as such in the context of it being in Yorkville and in a building named after them.
I found it amusing.
Northern Light
Superstar
Having discussed this w/the mods; I will reactivate this thread to discuss the prospective redevelopment of the Hudson's Bay Centre.
We have 2 recent reports from the City; the bulk of both which are confidential at this time.
But between them we can clearly see that Brookfield and the City are in discussion over the future of the site.
Obviously the picture of what's being contemplated is still a bit murky; but I will put out what details we know in my next post.
First, a link to the 2 relevant reports:
This one went to the Board of CreateTO, on October 9th, 2020. Full Credit to @DSC for flagging this.
In the above report we get some hint of what is under discussion; but the City studiously avoids naming Brookfield, Hudson's Bay Centre or Y-B subway station.
Though its fairly clear that's what's being discussed.
However, we have a follow-on report to next week's TTC meeting which does name Hudson's Bay Centre, Brookfield and of course Y-B station as the report is focused on the expansion of the latter.
We have 2 recent reports from the City; the bulk of both which are confidential at this time.
But between them we can clearly see that Brookfield and the City are in discussion over the future of the site.
Obviously the picture of what's being contemplated is still a bit murky; but I will put out what details we know in my next post.
First, a link to the 2 relevant reports:
This one went to the Board of CreateTO, on October 9th, 2020. Full Credit to @DSC for flagging this.
In the above report we get some hint of what is under discussion; but the City studiously avoids naming Brookfield, Hudson's Bay Centre or Y-B subway station.
Though its fairly clear that's what's being discussed.
However, we have a follow-on report to next week's TTC meeting which does name Hudson's Bay Centre, Brookfield and of course Y-B station as the report is focused on the expansion of the latter.
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Northern Light
Superstar
Here's what we know between the 2 reports noted above:
From the original City report:
Collectively, the two major projects will result in a significant capital investment and major city building deliverables that include new improved transit services, a reimagined public realm and mixed-use development - including the potential for inclusion of affordable housing and other City uses and needs for the area
The City is also thinking very grandly here:
advance the City's Urban Design Initiative which could see an open and transparent design competition for this transformational project.
Public Realm - animation of Subject Property's façade and ground plane elements through improved retail frontages and promenade will see an improved public realm and transparency of a priority intersection
Design Excellence- The City of Toronto has had a long-standing mandate to achieve the highest level of design and development on public lands along the City's Waterfront. More recently, the Mayor and City Council adopted an Urban Design Initiative, which builds upon this work directing City Staff to engage in a public and transparent process for design excellence on City-owned lands. Jointly with City Planning, CreateTO is currently developing a process framework for Design Excellence that has Proponents undertaking a limited or full design competition for redevelopments that occur on City-owned lands. ......Subject Property, with its public realm significance, will be subject to this Design Excellence process.
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From the above, I would be inclined to read the retention or replacement of the facade of 'The Bay' store; though that is not explicitly stated.
There is either one (or more) net new residential towers contemplated or the replacement of the current office tower (unclear).
The office tower had expensive renos comparatively recently, which would seem to make demo unlikely, especially with the desire of the City to retain office space. However, I can't envision how something won't have to be removed in order to fit the foot print of a new tower.
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Currently the City has a stakeholder working group set-up:
a Working Group has been formed to include staff from CreateTO, Corporate Real Estate Management, the Toronto Transit Commission, and the Proponent. CreateTO, with support from CREM, will play a lead role in the negotiation process while also facilitating and overseeing discussions with the numerous primary and secondary stakeholders involved in this complex project.
A parallel working group of residents in the area will be set up in the near future according to the report:
The project is also expected to undergo an early public consultation process that would include the establishment of a working group with the local residents associations' to input into the guiding principles that would inform the overall design and public realm outcomes.
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Let the speculation begin!
From the original City report:
Collectively, the two major projects will result in a significant capital investment and major city building deliverables that include new improved transit services, a reimagined public realm and mixed-use development - including the potential for inclusion of affordable housing and other City uses and needs for the area
The City is also thinking very grandly here:
advance the City's Urban Design Initiative which could see an open and transparent design competition for this transformational project.
Public Realm - animation of Subject Property's façade and ground plane elements through improved retail frontages and promenade will see an improved public realm and transparency of a priority intersection
Design Excellence- The City of Toronto has had a long-standing mandate to achieve the highest level of design and development on public lands along the City's Waterfront. More recently, the Mayor and City Council adopted an Urban Design Initiative, which builds upon this work directing City Staff to engage in a public and transparent process for design excellence on City-owned lands. Jointly with City Planning, CreateTO is currently developing a process framework for Design Excellence that has Proponents undertaking a limited or full design competition for redevelopments that occur on City-owned lands. ......Subject Property, with its public realm significance, will be subject to this Design Excellence process.
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From the above, I would be inclined to read the retention or replacement of the facade of 'The Bay' store; though that is not explicitly stated.
There is either one (or more) net new residential towers contemplated or the replacement of the current office tower (unclear).
The office tower had expensive renos comparatively recently, which would seem to make demo unlikely, especially with the desire of the City to retain office space. However, I can't envision how something won't have to be removed in order to fit the foot print of a new tower.
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Currently the City has a stakeholder working group set-up:
a Working Group has been formed to include staff from CreateTO, Corporate Real Estate Management, the Toronto Transit Commission, and the Proponent. CreateTO, with support from CREM, will play a lead role in the negotiation process while also facilitating and overseeing discussions with the numerous primary and secondary stakeholders involved in this complex project.
A parallel working group of residents in the area will be set up in the near future according to the report:
The project is also expected to undergo an early public consultation process that would include the establishment of a working group with the local residents associations' to input into the guiding principles that would inform the overall design and public realm outcomes.
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Let the speculation begin!
Towered
Senior Member
Please, please let this be the end of the Bunker!!
Richard White
Senior Member
The bunker?
sacred
Active Member
This thing would survive a nuke
TossYourJacket
Senior Member
Hopefully as part of this we can get some substantial upgrades to Bloor-Yonge done. A larger concourse with multiple access points down to the platform levels would be ideal (in addition to the planned capacity improvements).
zang
Senior Member
Few entrances, underground access, no windows, extensive rooftop for growing of food.
Best place in Toronto to survive a zombie apocalypse.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I wonder if this rebuild will actually allow some of the more inconvenient columns at the north end of Yonge station to be removed - especially those wide ones that affect circulation. I wish they can take out 15 Asquith as well (not bloody likely given it's a Bell thing).
AoD