rbt
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Loosening restrictions and expectations of increased crowds on transit, is why it's being made mandatory rather than just a strong suggestion as before.
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Loosening restrictions and expectations of increased crowds on transit, is why it's being made mandatory rather than just a strong suggestion as before.
Lake Ontario
Active Member
New MiWay Five map: https://web.mississauga.ca/wp-conte.../15163815/MiWay-2020-Proposed-Network-Map.pdf
Changes from the last iteration:
-103 gets truncated to Trillium
-34 is retained
-49/49A is retained with its current routing
Changes from the last iteration:
-103 gets truncated to Trillium
-34 is retained
-49/49A is retained with its current routing
anb
Active Member
During this whole covid situation, I really miss the 107 more than ever. It was the best route for people from humber college, east brampton or Malton (obviously). I work around the city centre and now it just feels like a chore just even getting to the transitway during rush hour, I hope they do bring this route back sometime between now and next month
kali
Active Member
Does MiWay report ridership by route? Looking for a doc akin to this: https://www.ttc.ca/PDF/Transit_Planning/Ridership_and_service_statistics_2018-A.pdf
drum118
Superstar
No to the public and only to council when asked for it. Hurontario #1, Dundas #2, Bloor was #3 and could have slip to #4 with Burnhamthrope being #3 now
kali
Active Member
Thank you Drum. What are the daily ridership numbers on those routes?
drum118
Superstar
I don't have any update info and this is the best I can recall and could be wrong since been close to 10 years since I did data counting for routes. Hurontario 30,000+ and why an LRT being built for it; Dundas about 15,000-20,000 and why an BRT going to be built for it; Bloor about 10,000; Burnhamthrope around 9,000, but with addition of 76 only to sq One, it has to be over 10,000 now.
MiExpress
New Member
Ridership information released to the public on request, I know because I've recieved ridership info in the past.
For route by route breakdown MiWay has done full counts (all routes) in 2015 and partial counts (specific routes) in 2016 and 2018.
However I also have the data collected from the automated passenger counters (APC) onboard buses for every route on a trip by trip basis from Jan 2018 to November 2019, almost 2 year span. This data is highly accurate as it provides a much larger data sample and isn't based on manual counts on board buses.
I can compile the APC data to provide a route by route ridership breakdown for 2019 and will post it here for you to view (as well as twitter). If you look a few pages back at post 1023 on Feburary 10 I used this same APC data to provide a in depth look at ridership along the transitway.
kali
Active Member
^That would be brilliant, thank you. I have also requested updated ridership from MiWay. I'll post when they send to me.
kali
Active Member
MiWay's top routes by ridership (weekday daily total figures from Oct 2019; all routes include branches/expresses):
Dundas: 18,685
Bloor: 7,187
Dixie: 8,121
Hurontario: 25,816
Derry: 10,212
Meadowvale express: 9,596
Dundas: 18,685
Bloor: 7,187
Dixie: 8,121
Hurontario: 25,816
Derry: 10,212
Meadowvale express: 9,596
MiExpress
New Member
Thanks for reaching out for ridership stats! Would it be possible to share the full document/stats they sent? I am still planning on compiling the APC data I mentioned above to share here. Is there any indication whether the data they shared is based on APC data?
When I did the transitway data I mentioned in my previous post, I got 10,619 weekday boardings for the 109 Meadowvale Express. I would not be surprised if this was just the variance from manual counts vs APC especially since it can be tough to manually count on crowded buses.
kali
Active Member
Yes, the document says the counts came from APCs. I hope they don't mind me posting it here. After all, the numbers are publicly available.
kali
Active Member
Also Bloor and Burnhamthorpe raise questions. Drum mentioned those were around 10k. What gives?
MiExpress
New Member
I believe Drum did state he had not actually done any of his counts for at least 10 years and was probably trying to be helpful giving a rough estimate. As for your question regarding Bloor and Burnhamthorpe the general answer is the transitway has definitely resulted in ridership patterns changing. More specifically the faster, more frequent service on the 109 has taken away ridership from both the 3 and 26; both routes used to be the most frequent East-West routes connecting Islington and Square One/City Centre. The financial crisis of 2008 also caused ridership losses on many routes that took years to recover from. I'm going to include the 20 here since it is a route in close proximity.
Route 3 weekday ridership
2003 - 5,900 (projected)
2008 - 8,146
2011 - 7,275
2015 - 7,781
2019 - 7,187
Route 20 weekday ridership
2003 - 2,889 (projected)
2008 - 3,583
2011 - 2,965
2015 - 3,731
2016 - 3,899
2019 - 3,794
Burnhamthorpe weekday ridership (26 + 86 for 2003, 26 + 76 all other years)
2003 - 10,823 + 2,926 = 13,479 (projected)
2008 - 10,161 + 2,246 = 12,407
2011 - 9, 188*
2015 - 8,636 + 1,689 = 10,325
2019 - 5,623 + 2,695 = 8,318
*Route 26 only, no route 76 ridership data was available in the 2011 count.
Some thoughts:
- Route 3's weekday ridership has never been in the 10,000 range, at least not in the last 20-25 years. The highest I can find for it was 8,146 in 2008 and it has since settled into the 7000-8000 range. I suspect it has seen some ridership migration to the transitway as evidenced by the 2015-2019 ridership numbers but not as drastic as the Burnhamthorpe routes. The density of apartment buildings on Bloor east of Dixie as well as the route serving Mississauga Valley provide it with a good base of stable ridership.
- The strange part about the 3's ridership was it seemed to also have a similar spike 20 years ago. In 1999, weekday ridership was 6,560 boardings, in 2001 it had grown to 7,586. However in 2002 it had already started to decline again with 7,041 weekday boardings and seemed to bottom out in 2003, before picking up again until 2008. I can't really think of anything to explain that variance.
- Route 20's ridership has remained stable in the 3700-3900 range in 2015-2019. It wasn't as impacted by the transitway despite being in close proximity. It was always the least frequent of the 3/20/26 so it probably didn't suffer as much or at all from riders between Islington-City Centre shifting to the transitway. The route's extension west to Erindale GO in 2013 probably helps explain some of the ridership increase from 2011-2015, as well as recovery from the 2008 financial crisis. Also like the 3, there is a fair bit of density with apartment buildings and townhouse complexes on certain points of the route. Also, from my observations riding the route ridership seems to be more younger people, families and the eldery making more 'local' trips, such as to the mall, grocery store etc. which could explain the more stable ridership.
- The Burnhamthorpe corridor has seen the biggest impact to ridership. While the 2003 and 2008 weekday ridership was well over 12,000 combined and 10,000 for the 26; you can see by 2011 it had started to decline. The transitway played a huge part in ridership along Burnhamthorpe declining, as it was once the most frequent east-west route between Islington and City Centre/Square One. In addition the 110 University Express providing much faster service between City Centre/Square One and South Common also took away a lot of the 26's ridership on the west end of the route. I suspect going forward that the Burnhamthorpe corridor will settle with stable weekday ridership in the 8000 range.
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Abubakkar
New Member
Just curious but anyone know if the XDE60S have started delivery?