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OMB is north america's best development review system and killing it is nuts. this is an enormous victory for low rise housing and a terrible blow to highest use. just terrible public policy.
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well sometimes. development is too tall, too dense, too large, adds too much shade, too much trafficI'm largely concerned about NIMBY groups gaining additional power, especially in the suburbs.
NIMBY-ism these days has really shed its traditional grassroots origins (Greenwich Village, Spadina Expressway) and has really become about a largely white, land-owning cohort concerned more about the value of their properties than anything else.
To them anything will always be too tall, too dense, too large, adds too much shade, not enough parking, too much traffic, etc.
you must be a developerOMB is north america's best development review system and killing it is nuts. this is an enormous victory for low rise housing and a terrible blow to highest use. just terrible public policy.
the OMB has all been about developers. Yes 50 storey condo is too high. European cities have a minscule the size of land we do but do you see high rise condos there? No. The most they are 5-6 storey and that includes ground floor. As a friend from barcelonia said - when I asked her about heights of apartments - she said 5 -6 cause no one likes tall so they don;t build them. Toronto, and Ontario with all this land some how needs 50 sttorey condos on all streets for some reason and the people who live in houses are to be blamed. If there will be 700,000 people coming in 30 years they will not all be individual looking for individual units right? What about the amount of people dying in that 30 year period. Seems to me that will balance the growth in population perhaps. Italy fits into Ontario and has double population of canada but I do not remember seeing tall apartments there.
No, the problem is that modern NIMBYism often also opposes mid-rise intensification (they'll say that the school systems will become overloaded, there'll be too much traffic, the character of the neighbourhood will be ruined, etc.) . They want densities far below those of Barcelona and most European cities.
See: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/toronto-ridiculous-nimbyism-thread.21818/page-35#post-1223159
The Canadian village fetish brought to the big city.
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@dtopping said:Just once I'd love to see a story that published NIMBY complainers' names alongside their property values, like so:
Just over a week ago, the Province of Ontario announced the creation of new tribunal that would replace the Ontario Municipal Board (OMB) as we know it today. The Provincial government argues that the tribunal will make the process more democratic, allowing citizens to access to a faster and more cost-effective hearing process. Named the Local Planning Appeal Tribunal (LPAT), it would give much more weight to elected officials and their communities, in contrast to the OMB, which arguably weighed broad Provincial growth targets over local concerns.
As legislation tom reform OMB and introduce Land appeals board was introduced May 16, how long will it take before it is passes? or will the same thing happen as last time - a motion was introduced to get rid of OMB and next thing you know an election is called and motion dies. Can the same thing happen this time with the Liberals calling an early election and the OMB reform dies? How c0nvienient for politicians