denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
If the Sheppard line was built to STC, what you could do is Alternate the lines every 10 minutes. 10 minutes for Union via University, 10 minutes for STC via Fairview and Yonge+Finch.
What percentage of those travelling south on the Spadina extension would these people be?What matters are the people traveling from "anywhere on the Finch LRT or Vaughan Extension" to "anywhere on the Sheppard LRT". Right now, those people are almost certainly driving on the 401. Sending Sheppard trains south on the Spadina line does nothing for them, or for anyone who would get a faster trip by changing trains to the Yonge line anyway.
Like Eglinton where the expensive underground portion is shared by branches going to??Interlining makes sense for areas where you have lots of traffic. Interline through downtown, and branch in different directions in the burbs.
But it could make sense if it is utilizing tunnels that are under-utilized. YUS does have capacity to the north, since every other train short turns at Downsview. To the north, there is the capacity of these YUS trains not heading north, and to the south, it could be possible to substitute a Sheppard train in place of a short-turn train.Interlining through the lowest-use section of Line 1 makes no sense, nor would I think there'd be the capacity on Line 1 to support it, where they are already planning to fully utilize the capacity south of Finch West.
Just don’t do every 6 minutes because it won’t divide evenly.Running to the transfer point at the Downsview Park GO station might make sense - but you'd still need to run a double set of tracks, as you can't be running a Line 1 train every 2 minutes, and then add in a Line 4 train every 6 minutes (or less, given the likely lack of demand west of Yonge)
Mostly because it is less costly to re-use the tracks for both lines than to build a whole new route.I'd think a better solution in an infinite world would be to keep running west from Allen/Sheppard (Sheppard West station aka Downsview Station) under the airport to an additional station at Sheppard/Jane and then north on Jane to Jane/Finch to intersect the LRT. Why run 2 lines together, instead of running them in different places.
I’m not sure. I could easily see people continuing to Downsview and south since they would have a guaranteed seat and not transfer. There would also be those going to YorkU and eventually Vaughan Centre.And the main question it leads to, is what would be the ridership. I have a hard time thinking that it would even be the existing 5,000 an hour on the Sheppard subway, west to Yonge in AM peak.
This means that minimal riders would continue to YorkU – the largest single transit draw north of 401.As Pasternak pushed the TTC to actually study the feasibility of the "North York" relief line, perhaps we'll see some estimated numbers for subway ridership - which should be similar if the service terminated at Downsview or ran through to Vaughan.
What, to make things more expensive? The subway tunnel isn't a particular high expense - about 40 million or so per kilometre for TBM. If you go shallow, you have to excavate the entire road, completely rebuild it, and have to deal with huge utility issues. If you are heading down a major street, it's cheaper to tunnel underneath. Cut-and-cover might make more sense if you were instead to tunnel under a parallel minor street.
Are there really that many people traveling from fairview mall or stc to York u or Vaughan??
Are you saying that those in the poorer neighbourhoods near Fairview mall are not motivated or intelligent enough to be going to University?
Are you saying that those in the poorer neighbourhoods near Fairview mall are not motivated or intelligent enough to be going to University?
No where did I say anything like what BurlOak is suggesting.Are there really that many people traveling from fairview mall or stc to York u or Vaughan??
No where did I say anything like what BurlOak is suggesting.
Like Eglinton where the expensive underground portion is shared by branches going to??
Maybe one branch along Dixon and one along Eglinton West??
Maybe one branch along Eglinton East and one up Leslie??
But where is the demand? Remember that the current express bus along this route carries only 530 people per hour (assuming it's completely full). And hang on - I've taken the Sheppard West bus during AM peak heading west ... most people are heading east away from York, not west.This means that minimal riders would continue to YorkU – the largest single transit draw north of 401.
I've been perfectly civil in this discussion. Simply just because you disagree with me is no reason to start being rude to either of us.Sorry about that. I guess reading posts from Nfitz all day got me in a foul mood.
Westbound Sheppard trains every 4 minutes – alternating north and south.
Northbound YUS trains every 2 minutes – alternating north, short-turn, east, short-turn.
Southbound YUS trains every 4 minutes – alternating south and east.
Bit of new track needed, but all constructed on the SW corner of Dufferin – Sheppard with open cut.
Sure there is. You follow the plan that was discussed earlier to connect just north of Downsview station, and do a long curve up and around, and back down to Sheppard, heading to Bathurst. Then you add a wye back to York. But Don Mills to Vaughan trains wouldn't stop at Downview.Now, it is no longer possible to connect Sheppard trains to the tunneled Spadina extension, and run them towards York U.
Sure there is. You follow the plan that was discussed earlier to connect just north of Downsview station, and do a long curve up and around, and back down to Sheppard, heading to Bathurst. Then you add a wye back to York. But Don Mills to Vaughan trains wouldn't stop at Downview.
Not that there'd be any point. You don't design double the service, for the lowest ridership stretch of your busiest subway line.
Knowing this twisted priorities of this city, in some bizarre scenario I can almost see it happening.
Now, we all have to come to grips with the fact that Sheppard is just not a subway-capacity corridor and will not be for many, many years. Yet we still have the Sheppard Subway squarely planted in the midst of our rapid transit plans, a white elephant in its entirety, and it will only become moreso if and when the Sheppard East LRT is built. I'm personally of the opinion that extensions of the subway westward will only serve to make it more expensive and painful should we ever choose to put a single mode of rapid transit on Sheppard instead of two and do the right thing; that is, convert the subway to LRT. No other proposa for the corridor is worth more in terms of network connectivity, ease of usage, and appropriate fit for the corridor in question than a through-run LRT from Yonge Street to Meadowvale along Sheppard.
If the political will or technical ingenuity were available, it would be even better to turn the LRT north near Dufferin to Finch, so as to connect to the Finch West LRT and produce a seamless northern crosstown line. The lack of ability to travel along TTC rapid transit across the city, say from an apartment building in Scarborough to an industrial job in Etobicoke, without travelling all the way south to Bloor / Danforth (or within a few years Eglinton) is appalling. A through-run Sheppard LRT connecting to Finch would be a great boon.
Sure there is. You follow the plan that was discussed earlier to connect just north of Downsview station, and do a long curve up and around, and back down to Sheppard, heading to Bathurst. Then you add a wye back to York. But Don Mills to Vaughan trains wouldn't stop at Downview.
Not that there'd be any point. You don't design double the service, for the lowest ridership stretch of your busiest subway line.
Knowing this twisted priorities of this city, in some bizarre scenario I can almost see it happening.
Now, we all have to come to grips with the fact that Sheppard is just not a subway-capacity corridor and will not be for many, many years. Yet we still have the Sheppard Subway squarely planted in the midst of our rapid transit plans, a white elephant in its entirety, and it will only become moreso if and when the Sheppard East LRT is built. I'm personally of the opinion that extensions of the subway westward will only serve to make it more expensive and painful should we ever choose to put a single mode of rapid transit on Sheppard instead of two and do the right thing; that is, convert the subway to LRT. No other proposa for the corridor is worth more in terms of network connectivity, ease of usage, and appropriate fit for the corridor in question than a through-run LRT from Yonge Street to Meadowvale along Sheppard.
If the political will or technical ingenuity were available, it would be even better to turn the LRT north near Dufferin to Finch, so as to connect to the Finch West LRT and produce a seamless northern crosstown line. The lack of ability to travel along TTC rapid transit across the city, say from an apartment building in Scarborough to an industrial job in Etobicoke, without travelling all the way south to Bloor / Danforth (or within a few years Eglinton) is appalling. A through-run Sheppard LRT connecting to Finch would be a great boon.