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TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I think late 2022/early 2023 is a realistic timeline for completion.
From my observations, subway projects typically have underground station structures completed about two years prior to revenue service, to allow time for the installation of elevators, escalators, HVAC and other systems installation. If by the end of the year, the structures for Cedervale and Yonge and all the other stations aren't completed, I'd say the December 2021 deadline is at risk.
mdu
Active Member
See, the heated shelters help with the pain of 20 minute headways on Viva.Good! You'll be waiting 30 minutes!
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Those shelters will be tagged in no time. Probably with the slogan: "A Place To Grow"
toronto647
Active Member
In your opinion of course... Would it be fair to say 100% ready by December 2023 forsure?
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
To be fair, it's one of the main lines in the song A Place to Stand, a Place to Grow, which is Ontario's unofficial anthem. Not a fan of Ford's meddling, but it's quite a fitting slogan for Ontario.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Nothing is 100% done, until it's done. See the O-Train fiasco...
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
This NYT article is about the flawed delivery of the O-Train in Ottawa. However, it's directly related to the Crosstown LRT, as SNC-Lavalin is delivering the ECLRT as part of the P3 consortium.
A few excerpts for those too lazy to click the link, but you really should check out the full article.
SNC-Lavalin Is the Talk of Ottawa Again, if in a Very Different Context
A few excerpts for those too lazy to click the link, but you really should check out the full article.
SNC-Lavalin Is the Talk of Ottawa Again, if in a Very Different Context
But almost from opening day, a slew of problems appeared. Somehow, passengers holding doors open — a not approved but common practice found on nearly every transit system — crippled trains. Parts of trains, including a door, fell off, leading to other disruptions. The system used by the trains, made by the French-owned company Alstom, to pull electricity from overhead wires sometimes creates terrifyingly loud and bright electrical arcsbefore shutting down. Long sections of that wiring have also collapsed. Train control system and computer failures have brought traffic to a halt. The steel wheels on cars developed flat spots, forcing their removal from service. Switches froze when winter came.
The result of all of this is that only 13 trains are in service most of the time, rather than the promised 15. Some days it’s much worse. Last week only six trains were running during one rush-hour period; some rush hours have had no service.
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building and construction and construction financing of Ottawa’s system was turned over to a specially created company owned by ACS Infrastructure, a Spanish engineering company; Ellis-Don, a construction company based in Mississauga, Ontario; and SNC-Lavalin, the Montreal-based engineering company that was the talk of Ottawa for other reasonsthis time last year. Those three companies also received a second contract from the city to maintain the system for the next 30 years.
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SNC-Lavalin, ACS and Ellis-Don are also among the members of a different public-private partnership building an extensive light rail line in Toronto. Last month that project announced a major delay in opening.
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failure of the private vendors to quickly resolve the problems in Ottawa is puzzling particularly given that the city has refused to pay the consortium millions of dollars in monthly maintenance fees and that the city is attempting to bill the consortium for the cost of things like the parallel bus service — factors that, according to theory, should prompt swift action.
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Ottawa, Professor Siemiatycki said, is also demonstrating another drawback of many public-private deals: secrecy. Confidentiality clauses in contracts meant that as the opening was repeatedly delayed, the contractors’ consortium stayed largely silent. More recently, its maintenance company has offered some public comments, but it is hardly a model of transparency. The municipal transit service has been left to do the talking.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I'm terrified that the Crosstown LRT is destined to go down the same path as the O-Train. Very similar DBFM contracts, involving SNC, are being utilized to deliver both projects. And the secrecy and confidentiality surrounding the ECLRT (and also the Ontario Line) should look very familiar to all of us.
Given how hastily Crosslinx is attempting to deliver the Crosstown, I really have no expectation that they'll be delivering a quality product. Nor do I have any expectation that Metrolinx will be holding their feet to the fire.
WislaHD
Superstar
100% Complete and open to the public and under operation are different things. I am sure the latter will be true by that date, which is the relevant question to those concerned about purchasing condos along the Eglinton corridor.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
Perhaps they could open it up earlier but the stations wouldn’t be accessible at first until they install it.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
People move in and actually live in condos and sub-divisions before they are completely finished. They could be living in one home, while workers are still working on the unit next door. Landscaping (grass, driveway, etc.), for example, can be delayed for up to a year.
crs1026
Senior Member
^Decor and finish don’t have to be complete, but fire and other safety systems do. That in itself may be hard to complete within a couple of years.
Simple “last minute” things like stair treads and handrails which are code mandated may not be installable until the decorative stage. Likewise wayfinding and code-related signage.
No fire, electrical, and building code signoffs.... no opening.
- Paul
Simple “last minute” things like stair treads and handrails which are code mandated may not be installable until the decorative stage. Likewise wayfinding and code-related signage.
No fire, electrical, and building code signoffs.... no opening.
- Paul
christiesplits
Senior Member
Hi all,
Question for Crosstown experts:
I understand that the original Transit City era Crosstown had more of the line above ground, until Ford came in and made more of the line underground, although not fully underground as he had intended. Which sections were changed?
Question for Crosstown experts:
I understand that the original Transit City era Crosstown had more of the line above ground, until Ford came in and made more of the line underground, although not fully underground as he had intended. Which sections were changed?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
The Crosstown LRT is fundamentally the same as the Transit City era. Biggest modification was the addition of a surface station at Leslie, although that didn’t have anything to do with Ford