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hawc said:
What goes together better than 80s music and Yonge & Eglinton?

(I grew up there in the 80s.)

Really amazing to see the growth that's happened here in the last 10 years.

And the Crosstown LRT is only going to make it bigger and better.
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I didn't grow up there, but it was the first neighbourhood I lived in when I came to Toronto 20+ years ago. It was so sleepy and boring back then, but has gotten a lot better since.
 
There were two LRV trains testing yesterday on the overground section west of Science Centre at about 0830 - one holding at Leslie stop EB, and another holding before the EB signal at the entrance to the Science Centre ramp. May be old hat to people who watch the line more closely but it was the first time I recall seeing two trains at once on that section (certainly operating the same direction)
 
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
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Wouldn't surprise me if we see LRV trains rushing through the western and underground portions of the line, only to get backed up on the above ground, Scarborough portion. Much like we see with the downtown streetcars all bunching up together.

The other issue with the above ground portion of the Eglinton line is they added too many stops.
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
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Agree w everything you said except for the 30 years part. Some high profile incidents shutting down the line will make headlines. This will be an issue on Day 1 and will need to be addressed sooner than later.
 
Bojaxs said:
Wouldn't surprise me if we see LRV trains rushing through the western and underground portions of the line, only to get backed up on the above ground, Scarborough portion. Much like we see with the downtown streetcars all bunching up together.

The other issue with the above ground portion of the Eglinton line is they added too many stops.
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hopefully then the city managers will have their eyes opened to the fact they need signal priority... or maybe not since theyve had 50 years on their streetcar lines to figure that out.
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
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In 30 years it will be obsolete and scrapped like the SRT.
 
In the last few weeks, have there been any new tea leaves to speculate on the opening date? Sorry If I'm sounding like a broken record.

What do you think the odds are of a staggered opening? For instance, certain stations (like Eglinton) being inaccessible for the first few months after opening.
 
hw621 said:
In 30 years it will be obsolete and scrapped like the SRT.
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I promise you this will not happen.

BTW, the SRT was not obsolete. Vancouver still uses the tech and will do so for the foreseeable future. The SRT was doomed because of its incompatibility with bitter winters, and poor routing. Let's take the merits, or lack thereof, of the Crosstown such as they are rather than engaging in low information populism.
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
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Would this be in line with what is happening with the SRT?
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think in 30 years there will be no such thing as "The Crosstown". Due to Miller's "streetcar or nothing" mentality and ML very short-term thinking, the current Eglinton Line will simply not have the capacity needed to meet future demands.

The underground section from approx DM to Renforth will be one line with much higher frequencies, probably automated, and a stand-alone transit line. The at-grade section will be the other other line and in order to connect they will have a seamless cross-platform transfer. The at-grade section is not going to be able to offer the frequency and reliability of the underground section and automating the underground section would also lower operational costs. Also, the at-grade section is at the whim of local traffic and one accident brings the entire line to a screeching halt.

A transit line is only as strong as it's weakest point and the Eglinton has 10km of it but if they divide the line in 2 then at least half of the line has no weak points and could provide a lot more service to a lot more passengers. The future TTC map will have no reference to "Crosstown" but rather 2 different lines, one subway and one LRT showing an interchange station.
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they'll eventually have to rebuild the east section elevated like how it should have been build from day 1.

they should just start doing now in my opinion. open the line as planned. start rebuilding the east portion of the line. when that's completely close down the road at grade section.
 
sixrings said:
They’d rather rip up the line then to say put another LRT on Lawrence. I don’t understand.
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Half the world still thinks a couple of subways in Scarbrough is better than a network of LRTs. Let's get to (emptiness) Kennedy Station faster. Then again majority of the people are braindead or they would have been innovative millionaires.
 
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