stevedean
Active Member
And yet someone else in this group was 100% sure that the Crosstown would open before the election to boost the PC.
My point about speculation stands...
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My point about speculation stands...
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
I actually would agree with that. Its just that how radio silence has become the norm in running a transit project these days it pretty much invites this kind of speculation.
drum118
Superstar
Up to Mobilinx doing Burnhamthorpe intersection for guideway construction for the Hurontario LRT, they gave a start date and end date that ended up been days to weeks behind schedule opening up. It was said the Paisley intersection was to start September 15 and went dead until signs went up saying it was to be November 14 with no end date. Most things in the corridor have gone silent to the point the ward councilors cannot get answers on various thing, let alone council.
Even the talk on the street these days is silent and mostly due to nothing taking place or not talking at all.
There is no one you can ask question for the Crosstown as they are underground these days out of sight.
Metroscapes
Active Member
This is exactly it. If you don't offer anything, it's not hard to chum the water. In my case, I simply offered up a logical explanation from a comment by a city councillor, and @urbancog offered some supporting information to it being linked to tunnel contracts.
This is not so much about gossip and more like 'this seems logical, can the government actually confirm this? Anyone?!' If it's legitimate, someone just needs to rip the bandaid off.
duffo
Active Member
From the MX Board Report:
max
Active Member
I wonder if the September 28th software release is the one that lead to this:
duffo
Active Member
evandyk
Senior Member
We were on Eglinton on the weekend and passed by some of the station buildings, so I was talking with my kid about how it looked ready and the trains were running, but it was not opening and they wouldn't tell us when it would open. He asked if it is like the Odd Burger at Broadview and Danforth which has had an "Opening Soon" sign on the building since at least September 2023.
bono47
New Member
Dan- in your view is this the biggest remaining bottleneck to overcome before an opening date is provided? Are multiple classes of drivers not able to train simultaneously? Thx
FWIW- I have followed up with Mike Colles office several times via voicemail and email asking him to substantiate his claim that Eglington is sinking, I have yet to receive a response.
max
Active Member
What Metrolinx believes and what they share with the public are not necessarily the same, let's not forget, this board has a penchant for dealing with most business in camera.
Given this is an update for the November 28, 2024 meeting (see https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/..._15.5_-_Capital_Projects_Rapid_Transit_En.pdf) my comment was meant to highlight the report's cherry-picking of good news. I don't see how a release on Sep 28th would enable operator training to advance if that release effectively halted training unless there was a subsequent software release before the mid-October timeframe which caused the signal issue. I believe I've seen references to months long waits between releases so I'm inclined to believe the September release is the culprit.
The alternative is that @smallspy has bad information, which seems more ridiculous to me than the idea that Metrolinx would avoid publicly releasing bad news.
smallspy
Senior Member
I'll answer your second question as it is somewhat more straightforward: not really, but kinda.
There are only enough trainers to allow for one set of classes to be taught simultaneously (a morning class and an afternoon class). However, a substantial portion of the training is simply operating the equipment in the environment in which it is designed to be operated (i.e. on the line, in "service") and for much of that training I don't think that they don't need the trainers to be on every single train, just out and about to intercept any train that may be having issues.. As this is what the second class is missing, it seems as if they are planning to offer this part of the training to them as part of the revenue service demonstration period. (There is some other training that they need still, particularly off of the equipment at track level - this is also to be done at that time.)
As for your first question: to be honest, I don't know. I am not privy to the level of details that cover the handover from constructor to owner (or operator), and so I don't know what kind of targets need to be met, or what kind of process needs to be followed. But certainly as a layperson, you can see some things that indicate how close (or far) they are from being ready to open the system. For instance:
- appliances and equipment still be installed in stations
- temporary floor coverings still in place
- equipment laying around in what-would-be public areas
- panels missing within what-would-be public areas
- signage incomplete
- exterior hardscaping incomplete
All of these are among the last things done prior to opening. If one or more of these are present, than you can safely assume that there is more work going on than meets the eye, and that the line is still some ways away from being ready to use. And most, if not all of these are visible on the various locations of the Crosstown.
Dan
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
What's the actual trial period they would need before handover, and what's the threshold they would have to meet? It's not just a 4 day test is it?
Coolibop
Active Member
Drove along Eglinton today, and not a single train was out.
Also found it funny some cars almost stopped for the transit red signal on an open stretch of road. Hopefully nobody interprets that when complete...
Also found it funny some cars almost stopped for the transit red signal on an open stretch of road. Hopefully nobody interprets that when complete...
nfitz
Superstar
It's been operating for years already - I never observed that when I used to commute along Eglinton.
mburrrrr
Senior Member
I saw two trains today.