MisterF
Senior Member
Ontario's refusal to adopt standard transit signals to avoid this exact kind of confusion remains as baffling as ever.
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nfitz
Superstar
Now do bike lights.
Northern Light
Superstar
I don't wish to be a tease, or provide non-news.
I do wish to say, that I've been given some info, by someone kind enough to whisper to me, that leads me to believe an announcement on the beginning of service could come in the next few weeks.
I can't be much more specific at this time...........
Thank you to the person who was so kind as to share.
I do wish to say, that I've been given some info, by someone kind enough to whisper to me, that leads me to believe an announcement on the beginning of service could come in the next few weeks.
I can't be much more specific at this time...........
Thank you to the person who was so kind as to share.
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Dan416
Senior Member
It is a bit of a tease. But you seem pretty in-the-know or at least know people who are in-the-know, so I am hopeful.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
My guess is that it’s a “we expect it to open by X date if the 3 month trial period goes well”. But also I don’t know why government would set themselves up for failure like that!
gw020
New Member
Saw a few trains on the road today with one of them showing 'Line 5 Kennedy' on the destination sign instead of the usual 'Training'(or is it 'Testing'?). Never seen it before, is this new?
Amare
Senior Member
Nope, there are trains which have this on display at times. Notably, they don't have any displays noting "Line 5".
Unless they changed and updated the destination signs recently.
T3G
Senior Member
I have never understood why the TTC feels the need to specify that a rapid transit service is a "line" on the destination signs. Especially on the subway, I believe it's the "Line 1 to Vaughan" exposure that doesn't fully fit so it has to scroll. For 40 years we had "501 Neville Park", can we go back to that? Why not "5 Kennedy"?
yurt2022
New Member
Well whats the difference between 5 Kennedy and 43 Kennedy?
T3G
Senior Member
Same as 503 Victoria Park vs 24 Victoria Park. Or someone reading a 510 King short turn sign and wondering what's up with all of that.
I'm not a fan of including the word "line" in any display, because it means that the actual pertinent information now has to be written smaller, or the panel has to change dynamically, to display the full range of information. When it comes to destination displays, I am a believer in less, not more. To that end I am not a fan of route names in general (43 Kennedy / to Kennedy station takes up too much space and therefore has to be written smaller, whereas 43 Kennedy Station could be written on one line).
I'm not a fan of including the word "line" in any display, because it means that the actual pertinent information now has to be written smaller, or the panel has to change dynamically, to display the full range of information. When it comes to destination displays, I am a believer in less, not more. To that end I am not a fan of route names in general (43 Kennedy / to Kennedy station takes up too much space and therefore has to be written smaller, whereas 43 Kennedy Station could be written on one line).
smallspy
Senior Member
Because "5 Kennedy" doesn't actually indicate anything precise about the route, only it's destination. That's why they've gotten away from the old "501 Neville Park" destination signs on the streetcars and have added the route's name on the destination signs.
And while it would be good practice to make the subways display the same, their destination signs are considerably smaller and so it is more difficult to put all of that information up there.
Dan
T3G
Senior Member
The front signs on the Crosstown Flexitys appear to be more or less the same width as that of the cars on the downtown network - there is no way "Line 5 to Kennedy" is going to fit on those unless the font chosen is obscenely small, in which case they might as well have gone ahead and done the two line Route name / destination display, or the display changes dynamically as it does on the subway, which is not going to be helpful if you're seeing a car approach your stop at high speed, either. This seems like a worst of all worlds solution. Which we are very fond of here.
Incidentally, if "5 Kennedy" doesn't tell anyone anything about the route, all those European cities that don't use route names because their routes run on so many different streets, many of which also change their name every few kilometres, must be in a total shambles. In a city where we have 0 rapid transit services that share physical trackage, why can't signage on the platform be used to convey information about the routing and the destination sign be used only for the most essential information?
bono47
New Member
Not to stroke the rumour mill too much but the walls have come down (literally) at Yonge/Eg. This was previously boarded up.
Archii
New Member
By chance, does anyone know if Metrolinx/TTC will be kind enough to put back the ceiling at Eglinton? I understand that other subway stations left in a state of repair due to funding/lack of care, but Eglinton is the site of a multibillion dollar transit line so…
smallspy
Senior Member
They seem to be big enough for the legacy network. Why wouldn't they be for Eglinton?
Unlike most European cities, Toronto is built on a grid, and most of our routes follow straight lines and major roads. There is no reason why a bus or streetcar operating on Dundas - one of those few non-straight roads - can't actually tell people that it is operating on Dundas. Or for that same reason, why we want to tell people that a bus operating on Eglinton is actually on the Leaside route, and not on Eglinton.
Also, it's not all-or-nothing. Just because we may want to emulate their service doesn't also mean we need to take their shitty wayfinding, too. That's just silly.
Dan