[crs1026]

The more information the better, to a point. Most surface riders just need to know the route number and destination, LRT and subway riders need mostly to know the direction as there aren't many ways to change the route.

But..... it's very important to me to know that my 501 car goes "To Humber" and not just "To Roncesvalles". And where routes have branches, or variables, seeing just "35F' isn't helpful... few people have memorised the A, B, C variations, and if they did, TTC may have added some new permutations. Crosstown doesn't have many of these complications but conformity has some value so why confuse people with something non-standard..

The tourist is going to be confused, regardless. I wouldn't obsess over serving their needs except in a generally helpful way.

Wayfinding never lasts long.... too good a meal ticket internally and for consultants. Regular riders adapt and the fine points work themselves out.

- Paul

 

[T3G]

They seem to be big enough for the legacy network. Why wouldn't they be for Eglinton?

It was said further upthread that the sign was programmed in the subway style, not the legacy network style.

Unlike most European cities, Toronto is built on a grid, and most of our routes follow straight lines and major roads. There is no reason why a bus or streetcar operating on Dundas - one of those few non-straight roads - can't actually tell people that it is operating on Dundas. Or for that same reason, why we want to tell people that a bus operating on Eglinton is actually on the Leaside route, and not on Eglinton.

On shared corridors I agree, but once clear of said corridor I think there is something to be said for discarding superfluous information. Once along the parts of the 505 that are not shared with any other route, I can see the utility of having large text call out "Broadview Stn" instead of redundantly also saying that the route runs on Dundas. On the bus network especially, with their immense width signs, I would say that improving visibility could lead to some benefit.

At the very least, some routes could benefit from it, like the 900. Large one line text that says Pearson Airport would be more useful than the current two line display, saying that it's the airport Express to the airport. I have no idea what incarnation of signage the 903 is using now, either, but surely large text saying Kennedy Station would be more helpful than telling us that the service connects Kennedy with STC?

 

[Aplus23]

Right now the transit signal light turns red 10secs before the traffic light turns red, but once a transit vehicle is approaching the transit signal will turn green for an additional 10 secs according to the YouTube page Transit thinker

 

[stevedean]

Not to stroke the rumour mill too much but the walls have come down (literally) at Yonge/Eg. This was previously boarded up.

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Where exactly is this in the station? Near the north end of the concourse, when you come up the stairs from the Line 1 platform?

 

[turbanplanner]

The more information the better, to a point. Most surface riders just need to know the route number and destination, LRT and subway riders need mostly to know the direction as there aren't many ways to change the route.

But..... it's very important to me to know that my 501 car goes "To Humber" and not just "To Roncesvalles". And where routes have branches, or variables, seeing just "35F' isn't helpful... few people have memorised the A, B, C variations, and if they did, TTC may have added some new permutations. Crosstown doesn't have many of these complications but conformity has some value so why confuse people with something non-standard..

The tourist is going to be confused, regardless. I wouldn't obsess over serving their needs except in a generally helpful way.

Wayfinding never lasts long.... too good a meal ticket internally and for consultants. Regular riders adapt and the fine points work themselves out.

- Paul

I'm going to sound like an Idiot but twice now I've boarded a bus for "Broadview" and it actually just dropped me off at bridgeport health instead of Broadview station.

 

[Simeon]

Not to stroke the rumour mill too much but the walls have come down (literally) at Yonge/Eg. This was previously boarded up.

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this is welcoming news. Better than the years and months of no news. Still not getting my hopes up.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

Not to stroke the rumour mill too much but the walls have come down (literally) at Yonge/Eg. This was previously boarded up.

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Toronto’s next transit megaproject should be to finally fix the ceilings in all stations. The state of some stations is beyond embarrassing.

NYC used to be the poster child for poor SOGR but they have largely renovated the worst decaying stations. Toronto is definitely worse now.

 

[gw020]

Nope, there are trains which have this on display at times. Notably, they don't have any displays noting "Line 5".

Unless they changed and updated the destination signs recently.

It may have been '5 Kennedy' too but I definitely remember seeing the number 5

 

[KevinT]

Well whats the difference between 5 Kennedy and 43 Kennedy?

About 38.

 

[Coolibop]

Right now the transit signal light turns red 10secs before the traffic light turns red, but once a transit vehicle is approaching the transit signal will turn green for an additional 10 secs according to the YouTube page Transit thinker

Assuming you're referring to this video, that's not quite what was said. Here is direct from the YouTube transcript:

7:59
...the City of Toronto has decided not to give Line 5 full transit signal priority. Instead of ensuring Line 5 trains, which will carry a max of roughly 400 people, never get stuck at red lights, the city is only giving the line partial signal priority. This means that if a light is green, and an LRV is approaching, the light will be held green for an extra 10 seconds. With transit signals already activated they all currently turn red 10 seconds before the regular traffic lights turn red, so I’m interested to see if the extra 10 seconds will even have an impact on the actual light cycle.

It's the first I've heard of detail about the signal priority...Am I to understand they only get the above 10 second extension if running behind schedule (this is what was originally communicated)?

 

[nfitz]

I'm surprised to see that in this September's ACAT minutes in the December TTC agenda that a statement attributed to the TTC's Deputy CEO (Bruce Macgregor) says that the "publicly available information is that Line 5 is expected to open in Q2 or no later than Q3, 2025"!

Was that publicly available (two months ago!)?

 

[generalcanada]

I'm surprised to see that in this September's ACAT minutes in the December TTC agenda that a statement attributed to the TTC's Deputy CEO (Bruce Macgregor) says that the "publicly available information is that Line 5 is expected to open in Q2 or no later than Q3, 2025"!

Was that publicly available (two months ago!)?

So anywhere between march and September 2025 LOL

 

[Northern Light]

So anywhere between march and September 2025 LOL

I will not put out any guarantees..........but I will say, I am given to understand it will be on the earlier side of that timeline. TBD.

 

[nfitz]

Any indication how that compares to Finch? It would certainly be advantageous to TTC to make both changes at the same time.

 

[Northern Light]

Any indication how that compares to Finch? It would certainly be advantageous to TTC to make both changes at the same time.

I don't have any good insight into Finch just at the moment.