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bit my tongue on the construction/dbf aspect for too long. this project has dragged to the point it's an embarrassment on a provincial scale. "we're taking over transit because we'll build it faster, cheaper, better". #fail #fail #fail. The centrepiece of the Prov's grand transit plan, cut short on the west, and on the east, then on the west again, single phase to two, to three, to five phases. Just the first phase is well, well beyond its schedule (and we're still in the dark!).
 
44 North said:
bit my tongue on the construction/dbf aspect for too long. this project has dragged to the point it's an embarrassment on a provincial scale. "we're taking over transit because we'll build it faster, cheaper, better". #fail #fail #fail. The centrepiece of the Prov's grand transit plan, cut short on the west, and on the east, then on the west again, single phase to two, to three, to five phases. Just the first phase is well, well beyond its schedule (and we're still in the dark!).
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Truthfully it would be terrible either way. It's either lazy and clueless ttc management or the partisan and equally lazy politicians
 
cplchanb said:
Truthfully it would be terrible either way. It's either lazy and clueless ttc management or the partisan and equally lazy politicians
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The "either way" is comparing to TYSSE, the last subway project. Grandiose, costly, over time. We couldn't think it could get worse, nay this was supposed to be so much better. But this is worse.
 
44 North said:
bit my tongue on the construction/dbf aspect for too long. this project has dragged to the point it's an embarrassment on a provincial scale. "we're taking over transit because we'll build it faster, cheaper, better". #fail #fail #fail. The centrepiece of the Prov's grand transit plan, cut short on the west, and on the east, then on the west again, single phase to two, to three, to five phases. Just the first phase is well, well beyond its schedule (and we're still in the dark!).
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Not to mention the East phase isn't even on the provinces radar anymore, it's a City project again. And is now a total separate line because MX made a direct connection impossible because of how they designed the SSE.
 
TossYourJacket said:
Not to mention the East phase isn't even on the provinces radar anymore, it's a City project again. And is now a total separate line because MX made a direct connection impossible because of how they designed the SSE.
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Exactly. Upload it, then download it, then neglect it. And the west perversely upgraded to subway standards - which somehow will carry fewer riders and defies their core mantra about building things affordably. And even that's been split into a phased sometime whenever project.

Eglinton Crosstown is exemplary at building things slower, costlier, and more politically.
 
LemonCondo said:
Eglington East will be a repeat of the Scarborough RT. A weird forced-transfer appendage of a line that should of just been an extension in the first place. And they have plenty of space for an elevated line out there...
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Most riders are transferring to and from the subway, the ridership east and west of Kennedy is quite different, not at all worth the extra cost of a through line, and the operational issues with such a long line.
 
Voltz said:
Most riders are transferring to and from the subway, the ridership east and west of Kennedy is quite different, not at all worth the extra cost of a through line, and the operational issues with such a long line.
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The line will have to be split anyway but I want it to be where we can have one grade separated line and one at-grade line. Laird, or Science Centre if you can figure out how to eliminate that one crossing. Science Centre would also have the Ontario Line so it would be a great hub.
 
Voltz said:
Most riders are transferring to and from the subway, the ridership east and west of Kennedy is quite different, not at all worth the extra cost of a through line, and the operational issues with such a long line.
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Yes exactly, and there are a large number of technical issues surrounding its ability to be connected to Line 5. The new case of the Eglinton East LRT better fits the local context.
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think it's inevitable that Eglinton will have to be split into 2 lines with the subway starting at OSC going west and the glorified streetcar going east. They couldn't have been more short sighted on Eglinton if they tried and it's 100% Miller's fault.
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Part of the reason why I'll never truly appreciate this LRT project is because there were already plans in place for a subway along the western portion of Eglington back in the 90s. If we had just stayed the course, we would already have a subway along Eglington and probably be discussing an Eastward extension into Scarborough.
 
Bojaxs said:
Part of the reason why I'll never truly appreciate this LRT project is because there were already plans in place for a subway along the western portion of Eglington back in the 90s. If we had just stayed the course, we would already have a subway along Eglington and probably be discussing an Eastward extension into Scarborough.
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Yes, but Ontarians voted in Harris. Unfortunately the past is done.
 
Bojaxs said:
Part of the reason why I'll never truly appreciate this LRT project is because there were already plans in place for a subway along the western portion of Eglington back in the 90s. If we had just stayed the course, we would already have a subway along Eglington and probably be discussing an Eastward extension into Scarborough.
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I could see Eglinton ending up like line 4 in this alternative universe. We would obviously have the Eglinton West subway, and probably an eastern extension to Yonge. But anything east of Yonge would be in limbo as people argue whether it should be LRT or subway (LIne 5's surface section would be impossible with a subway)
 
ssiguy2 said:
I think it's inevitable that Eglinton will have to be split into 2 lines with the subway starting at OSC going west and the glorified streetcar going east. They couldn't have been more short sighted on Eglinton if they tried and it's 100% Miller's fault.
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The cheaper solution that makes transit more efficient through Scarborough is to give the LRT railroad like priority at intersections. Similar to railroads they should then do the calculation to see if the risk at each intersection warrants a grade separation.
 
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