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Aplus23
Active Member
For some reason I have faith in the Ontario line and ECWE being done on time. If you go back far enough, I was optimistic this would be done last year and definitely this year, but right now I don't have a clue as to when the crosstown will actually open
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I'm still firmly in the position that I would be very surprised if it doesn't open in 2024, some time between September and December.
MAYBE something goes wrong and it gets pushed into 2025 - but most certainly not 2026.
MAYBE something goes wrong and it gets pushed into 2025 - but most certainly not 2026.
drum118
Superstar
Unless there are some serious issues underground, then 2026 could be an opening day, but 2025 will be the opening day at this time.
Amare
Senior Member
With Acciona being selected as a proponent for the Ontario Line, I already see the writing on the wall for that project. It's going to be delayed. The Crosstown West project I see opening close to schedule +/- 6 months.
The Crosstown line is the gift that keeps giving; Verster alluded that the earliest this thing would open is late 2024. So realistically speaking, I dont expect it to open until 2025.
Aplus23
Active Member
What part is Acciona supposed to do on the Ontario line? What makes them skeptical to you?
Amare
Senior Member
Here's a post I made a few weeks ago about how screwed up of a firm they are in the Ontario Line thread (they're responsible for the Elevated Guideway and Stations section including five above-ground stations in Riverside-Leslieville; Gerrard; Thorncliffe Park; Flemington Park; and Science Centre):
Just want to take a brief moment to note that we're all going to be potentially severely screwed with Acciona being selected. I knew that name rang a bell, because they've been involved in all of these messes which have had significant issues:
Herb Gray Parkway (Windsor Essex Parkway):
Ontario government admits mistakes in Herb Gray Parkway construction
Cost overruns and oversight with the Herb Gray Parkway project were discussed in Queen's Park again today as Windsor-Tecumseh MPP Percy Hatfield charged that the government has made major mistakes in its construction.windsor.ctvnews.ca
Windsor Parkway concessionaire gets fined for delays | Infrastructure Finance & Investment
Jim Lyons, Windsor Construction Association (WCA) executive director, stated:www.infrapppworld.com
Walterdale Bridge:
Walterdale Bridge still cost Edmonton $155M, even after contractor paid damages for delays - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
Edmonton taxpayers paid full price for the Walterdale Bridge, despite fines that were levied against the contractor following major delays in the project.globalnews.ca
Site C Dam:
Site C dam to be delayed a year, more than $5B over budget, B.C. says | Globalnews.ca
The project is now expected to be completed in 2025, a year after its original completion date.
Site C dam delayed, costs jump to $16-billion
Premier says its too late to go back despite project challengeswww.theglobeandmail.com
Broadway Skytrain Extension
Broadway Subway’s revised service date disappears from project reports
Total project completion was last listed as being March 30, 2026www.biv.com
And for fun, things got so bad in Vancouver with the North Shore Wastewater Treatment Plant project that they had to fire Acciona:
Edited to account for Windsor Essex Parkway/Herb Gray Parkway
But let's stick to Crosstown discussion, I dont want to give myself a headache with how inept Acciona is.
Dr. Snoot
Active Member
Where is the "never, because there are no consequences" option?
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I predict an O-Train like debacle. So, yes Sept-Dec 2024 is the grand opening. Within a fortnight it's all gone to shite and shutdown again for six months for rectification.
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SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
I genuinely believe that Metrolinx watched the Ottawa mess and will not open the line until it is absolutely ready. They have taken enough Ls with the delays already, and I am sure they want the opening to be a win.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
As they observed Ottawa’s experience, Metrolinx likely thought the O-Train was absolutely ready. But in addition to thirteen other faults, they’d not taken into account how the passengers would interact with the doors. There will be something on the Crosstown that Metrolinx has overlooked that causes a shutdown after a brief opening. This organization does not have a record of seeing the whole picture before acting.
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allengeorge
Senior Member
Metrolinx did not have anything to do with the O-Train.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Right. I’ll edit that better. What I meant was…
“In many cases, Metrolinx chose the same advisers, contract language, companies and trains that ended up contributing to Ottawa's problem-plagued system, which opened more than a year behind schedule in September 2019.”
Assuming the above CBC report is accurate, as an observer, Metrolinx must have thought the O-Train was well planned and executed. Otherwise, Metrolinx would have told its project teams to stay away from anything and anyone related to the O-Train.
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nfitz
Superstar
What's the door in interaction issue?
crs1026
Superstar
Newbie Ottawa riders thought that they could force the doors to stop closing - or reopen - by brute force. Lots of people who didn't want to miss a train and tried to get on after the doors started to close. Not comp,etely unreasonable if you don't know the difference between an LRT door and an elevator door.
I don't think that will be a problem in Toronto, as most riders will be more familiar with streetcar and subway and Go car doors. That's not to say that Toronto riders are angels, but in general they have seen more things and understand the norms/limits a bit better.
- Paul