The current CCTT is built with an underground station for the Transitway and is partly use as the current entrance and washrooms.

The tunnels were always part of the plan, but eliminated due to the extra cost of building the first phase and Hazel crying the the city was on the hock for an extra $60 million to build it. The cost of the tunnels was over $20 million when construction was started and were removed to what we have today as part of so call cost saving..

Based on 2004 EA cost, I said in my 2004 opposition to the BRT system that the cost was under estimated close to $200 million. The final cost was over that $200 million along with all cost cutting that took place to keep the cost low. Based on numbers for ridership, it was better to go to an LRT system from day one, but the numbers turn out to be for GO whole network for CCTT once construction was started.

The CCTT was out dated before being built as it was built for a city of 250000 with a daily ridership of 25,000. The city was close to 400,000 when it was built.

According to the City, the current location was all the city could afford at the time as well OMERS wanted the terminal to be in that location. It was just like the Hersey Centre that was supposed to be built where the Cineplex is now, as the city wasn't will to pay an extra million for the land. Cost saving has screw the city in more ways than enough.
 
Allandale25 said:
Is that an error in the Urban Toronto article? Where is it confirmed anywhere publicly that it'll be a split service? This sentence doesn't have a source or reference.
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We've removed that sentence and added a note at the bottom of the article.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
The entire Rathburn transit terminal area is a mistake - undersized and clobbered together on the cheap piecemeal.

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Even though this is true, this kind of terminal would be a blessing in places like Hamilton with their even more pathetic downtown "terminal".

Nevertheless, the whole terminal layout (including the GO Bus "terminal") needs to be rethought. The whole layout is a laughable joke which makes transferring between routes extremely inadequate.
 
Amare said:
Even though this is true, this kind of terminal would be a blessing in places like Hamilton with their even more pathetic downtown "terminal".

Nevertheless, the whole terminal layout (including the GO Bus "terminal") needs to be rethought. The whole layout is a laughable joke which makes transferring between routes extremely inadequate.
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I would expect that when the Playdium lands get redeveloped, the terminal could be consolidated there with mixed use on the south side and a tunnel connection to SQ1. Makes it easy to construct out of the way of the current terminal and allows the City to Masterplan the whole north side. Does anyone know if there are plans for that area? It would also spur more Transit oriented development to feed the LRT.
 
The current Square One GO terminal is only temporary. It is meant to be replaced by a transitway station in the future. With a complete transitway, most of the GO buses would be using the transitway anyways. The only thing needed is a pedestrian tunnel to connect the transitway and the City Centre terminal. To build huge terminal on the north side of Rathburn and block the construction of a future transitway is just backwards.
 
doady said:
The current Square One GO terminal is only temporary. It is meant to be replaced by a transitway station in the future. With a complete transitway, most of the GO buses would be using the transitway anyways. The only thing needed is a pedestrian tunnel to connect the transitway and the City Centre terminal. To build huge terminal on the north side of Rathburn and block the construction of a future transitway is just backwards.
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Where do you see the Transitway Terminal for GO going, as all plans had the Transitway feeding into CCTT???

The current talk is a new transit terminal is to be built on the north side of Rathburn for both GO and miWay combine on one of side of Station Gate site. I don't care which side, but must be able to handle 150,000 daily riders by 2035 or sooner, depending on the white Elephant Sq One in the so call downtown area, as well development for the surface parking lots. OMERS is already requesting parking standards on all their lands to be reduce from what we see today.

The plan is to use Duke of York to get over the 403 for the Transitway that will be raise over City View Dr and run along the north side of 403. You need to use Rathburn to get the Transitway over the 403 and City View. You have OMERS who owns the lands and is calling the shots related to Transit, as they don't want it interfering with cars coming to Sq One. There was a plan to close Rathburn Between City Centre and Duke of York for a Transit Mall only, but OMERS shot it down.

Because of cost cutting and no real planning, the location for the Transitway sucks from day one, let alone a major transit terminal location.

If OMERS wants less cars on their lands, the city needs to beef up transit by 50% so people can get to the mall and what coming down the road for the lands. Transit should have been beef up 15 years ago.

At the end of the day, the Transitway is a GO Thing who will be carrying the bulk of the ridership, with miWay playing a small role on it.
 
drum118 said:
Where do you see the Transitway Terminal for GO going, as all plans had the Transitway feeding into CCTT???

The current talk is a new transit terminal is to be built on the north side of Rathburn for both GO and miWay combine on one of side of Station Gate site. I don't care which side, but must be able to handle 150,000 daily riders by 2035 or sooner, depending on the white Elephant Sq One in the so call downtown area, as well development for the surface parking lots. OMERS is already requesting parking standards on all their lands to be reduce from what we see today.

The plan is to use Duke of York to get over the 403 for the Transitway that will be raise over City View Dr and run along the north side of 403. You need to use Rathburn to get the Transitway over the 403 and City View. You have OMERS who owns the lands and is calling the shots related to Transit as they don't want it interfering with cars coming to Sq One. There was a plan to close Rathburn Between City Centre and Duke of York for a Transit Mall only, but OMERS shot it down.

Because of cost cutting and no real planning, the location for the Transitway sucks from day one, let alone a major transit terminal location.

If OMERS wants less cars on their lands, the city needs to beef up transit by 50% so people can get to the mall and what coming down the road for the lands. Transit should have been beef up 15 years ago.
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Transitway terminal for GO? Transitway feeding into CCTT? What are you talking about? Transitway would be a seperated road, likely below the street, below the current terminal. GO buses using the transitway would stop at the transitway station just like 100/107/109/110 would. Why would they need to build another terminal or expand the bus terminal to accomodate these buses? Why would they ever think about havng transitway buses entering CCTT? CCTT was built as two levels to accomodate transitway and pedestrian connection underneath it. CCTT was never designed to be part of the transitway system itself. It was always designed to be separate.

Seriously I'm just baffled at all of the responses here. You can see in Toronto they have subway stations below and bus terminals above them. Transitway and CCTT was always planned to be the same concept. The transitway station will be located between Chapters and Playdium, replacing the GO bus terminal. Transitway buses will stop in the transitway station below, and non-transitway buses stop in CCTT above. Why do they need to build a single terminal to handle 150,000 riders? Why are people so obsessed with the idea of a humongous terminal for every single GO bus, MiLocal bus, MiExpress bus, and LRV in the city centre?

It is so much easier to have transitway buses and non-transitway buses using separate facilities. There is no need to combine them at all. Two separate facilities has more capacity than one facility. GO/100/107/109/110 can use the transitway station, and all other buses use CCTT. To take buses off the transitway onto the street and into a terminal or worse not bother to build a transitway at all for the sake of having all buses using the one terminal is just so backwards.
 
Having the HuLRT running along the one side of Rathburn is perfect because it allows a future transitway tunnel along the other side, keeping them that close to each other will be perfect for line transfers. Consolidating all of that in one spot is ideal because it sets up the Playdium parking lot as an adequate location to develop a large surface-level bus terminal to replace the SQ1 terminal. I think a big enough terminal would be able to handle Transitway, HuLRT, and conventional bus demand all at once without a problem, it'd definitely have to be easily the size of the VMC bus terminal, if not larger.

Here's a fun mockup I made of a potential U-shaped terminal with some office tower use, I might refine it in more detail later:

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It’s insane that Metrolinx wants to construct a hulking, dangerous transformer in the centre of a thriving residential and commercial neighbourhood. We constructed our model to show just how large and overwhelming this monstrosity would be. It makes no sense on any level. We’re determined to stop it.

Resident group planning to protest part of upcoming LRT in Mississauga
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Oh no, a transformer!

Kingsbridge Matters is still hoping to convince Metrolinx to build a station in their area, arguing that Kingsbridge is one of the most densely-populated communities along the route with a population of more than 10,000.
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"LRT good, necessary LRT infrastructure bad"
 
tmlittle said:
Oh no, a transformer!



"LRT good, necessary LRT infrastructure bad"
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The people who are opposing the transformer aren't neceessarily the same ones who are calling for an LRT station. There are thousands of people in these buildings.
 
doady said:
The people who are opposing the transformer aren't neceessarily the same ones who are calling for an LRT station. There are thousands of people in these buildings.
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If you read the article, the same pressure group is demanding both, which seems rather contradictory. Normally I'd agree but it's the silliness of the situation that amuses me about this case.
 
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