DonValleyRainbow said:
I kinda miss the Bay station idea now that they're positioned that way. If this is a binary choice, I'd rather it be between one Bay station linked to both Line 1 stations, or two interchange stations at Queen and Osgoode with the Relief Line platforms shifted 'outside the U' (east of Yonge, west of University). Not what's proposed.

it's ~600m between the two Line 1 stations. Assuming a 175m long Relief Line station box, you're looking at 200-250m walk to transfer. It's long, but not impossible. But we're also talking about a Relief Line; how many riders would be bothering to transfer to/from Line 1 anyway vs. just walking to/from their origin/destination in the core?
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Both New York and London have examples like this, and I'm sure Japan and others must too. Not that I'm saying the concept is good or bad, but does exist in many places...not least Spadina Station to the northern segment.
 
amnesiajune said:
I wonder if it would be practical to do one long station kinda like Chicago has on its red line, so trains can stop at Yonge and University but people can walk from either station to Bay or York Street.
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This has especially come to the fore with Crossrail in London, where the trains are twice the length or more of typical subway trains, such that a stopped train can straddle two existing intersecting tube stops of the same line, let alone others. It dictates a new awareness of knowing where to board the train to get off at the right station exit and connection to other lines.
 
This is great seeing the doc released, thought this was the dry time of year for major releases seeing as many are on vacation. Is there a link to the actual full document, and not the individual sections/appendices like found on the the reliefline site?

And expand the study scope west and north.
 
44 North said:
This is great seeing the doc released, thought this was the dry time of year for major releases seeing as many are on vacation. Is there a link to the actual full document, and not the individual sections/appendices like found on the the reliefline site?

And expand the study scope west and north.
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Just get your administrative assistants (AKA your kids) to download each section into a folder for you, from http://reliefline.ca/south/the-project/transit-project-assessment-process/environmental-project-report

or have your family business print a hardcopy for you.
 
BurlOak said:
It looks like is was split 1/3 each as stated above.

$697M seals subway deal
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OK. This is as I thought:
The negotiations around the subway funding date back months with Flaherty and his Ontario counterpart, Greg Sorbara, frequently discussing the province's demand for additional transit cash. The extension goes through Sorbara's Vaughan-King-Aurora riding.
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The Il Duce Duchy dance came later.
 
steveintoronto said:
This has especially come to the fore with Crossrail in London, where the trains are twice the length or more of typical subway trains, such that a stopped train can straddle two existing intersecting tube stops of the same line, let alone others. It dictates a new awareness of knowing where to board the train to get off at the right station exit and connection to other lines.
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Yep. Moorgate/Liverpool Street are going to be one giant station, with exits at either end of the Crossrail platforms connecting to each. Great for multiplying connections but will require users to know a bit about where they're going.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
You mean the Steven Harper conservatives that sat on their bums, made multiple announcements about it from 2007 onward and finally ponied up the cash way later?

AoD
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They were practising to set the precedent for the Ford Transit Passenger Van to veer all over the road and avoid all the toll gates. The Ford Van uses the same Redux recirculating pump used in early hash pipes, affectionately known as "houkahs"... a term RoFo mistook for "hookers".

Ford running transit is like General Motors running US streetcar systems.
 
steveintoronto said:
This has especially come to the fore with Crossrail in London, where the trains are twice the length or more of typical subway trains ...
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Twice the length?

They are using nine cars of approximately 23 metres, while we use 6 cars of approximately 23 metres (with talk of adding a 7th 15-metre car).

That's about 35% (about 1/3) longer then than the maximum Montreal and Toronto trains.

New York frequently runs 8-, 10- and even 11-car trains, reaching almost as long as Crossrail.

Longer than the typical narrow, short, low-height, typical 19th century London tube train perhaps ... but not twice compared to the subway systems around here.
 
nfitz said:
Longer than the typical narrow, short, low-height, typical 19th century London tube train perhaps ... but not twice compared to the subway systems around here.
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Nine to start, 10 later this year and next, platforms built for 12.

Crossrail will operate new Class 345 trains. The requirement is for 65 trains, each 200 metres (660 feet) long and carrying up to 1,500 passengers.
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That's the nine car ones to start.
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A major milestone in the construction of the new Elizabeth line station at Liverpool Street has been reached with the completion of the two new platforms over 30 metres below ground.

The two 240 metre long platforms, constructed as part of the Crossrail programme, were pre-fabricated in more than 500 pieces at a state-of-the-art factory over 130 miles away near Sheffield. They were then transported to London, lowered down the station’s main shaft and pieced together below ground.

The new platforms have taken around four months to install and are around twice the length of many existing London Underground platforms to accommodate the new 200 metre long Elizabeth line trains.
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http://www.crossrail.co.uk/news/articles/platforms-completed-at-new-liverpool-street-station
 
steveintoronto said:
They were practising to set the precedent for the Ford Transit Passenger Van to veer all over the road and avoid all the toll gates. The Ford Van uses the same Redux recirculating pump used in early hash pipes, affectionately known as "houkahs"... a term RoFo mistook for "hookers".

Ford running transit is like General Motors running US streetcar systems.
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GM sorta did that....
 
steveintoronto said:
Both New York and London have examples like this, and I'm sure Japan and others must too. Not that I'm saying the concept is good or bad, but does exist in many places...not least Spadina Station to the northern segment.
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In New York and London, the main examples exist on shallow subsurface subway lines (cut and cover). You wouldn't see many if any stations on any of London's deep bore lines.
Relief line is going to be deeper than subway lines in both cities. In essence, the escalator from the far end of a RL Bay South platform would take you close to the entrance of the entrances to Queen and Osgoode stations.
 
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