And those jobs are needed all the same in this city?

I have many friends who paid their way through school due to temporary summer employment at the CNE, and neighbours who are gainfully employed and can pay their rents due to those full-time cleaning roles.

Jobs in general are needed; however low-wage jobs are low-value. To be clear, I'm neither denigrating the professions, nor the people in those jobs.

What I'm suggesting is that in my experience those people who are paid subsistence wages (or even less, really) are often in poverty. If we had a reasonable minimum wage, and comprehensive healthcare and affordable tuition then that would be different situation, but we have none of those.

I'd add low-wage employment also tends to impede investment in productivity. One of the reasons that productivity per hour of work is higher in Northern Europe relative to Canada is that if you have to pay someone $22 per hour plus benefits you're more likely to invest in labour-saving technology.

Canada relies too much on cheap labour.

Another key to that productivity gap is better rested employees; which is not only a function of more generous paid vacation, but also higher wages that allow people to work only one full-time job and decline overtime.

I can't really place a value on a job where someone requires public subsidy and/or private charity to survive while working it.

Of course we don't know that that will be the case here, but my concern stands.

Creating low-wage employment is not the same as creating jobs in scientific research, advanced trades, medicine etc etc.
 
Matt Elliott in The Star has a piece critical of what's on offer and the lack of public consultation that got us here.


The above is non-paywalled at time of posting.
The problem with a public consultation is the public doesn't really know what they actually want there. You could ask everyone in Ontario or even just Toronto and you would get completely different answers. It's better to present something to them or just build something. Either way you will run into the same problem with people who just want to complain that the idea they wanted didn't happen.
 
The problem with a public consultation is the public doesn't really know what they actually want there. You could ask everyone in Ontario or even just Toronto and you would get completely different answers. It's better to present something to them or just build something. Either way you will run into the same problem with people who just want to complain that the idea they wanted didn't happen.

I would have preferred a nudist colony....
 
The problem with a public consultation is the public doesn't really know what they actually want there. You could ask everyone in Ontario or even just Toronto and you would get completely different answers. It's better to present something to them or just build something. Either way you will run into the same problem with people who just want to complain that the idea they wanted didn't happen.

Plus, I thought the public was consulted. They had a website open for a least year to submit your ideas. I think the general consensus was something similar to what the Ford government presented.
 
I would have preferred a nudist colony....

Are you sure you didn't get that?

Therme's page:


From same:

The Spa area & Saunas are all naturist – i.e. only for use without a bathing costume.

* note this does not refer to the entire complex, but to some areas within it.
 
Are you sure you didn't get that?

Therme's page:


From same:

The Spa area & Saunas are all naturist – i.e. only for use without a bathing costume.

* note this does not refer to the entire complex, but to some areas within it.

Hmm... now all we need is a brothel...
 
Talking with a lot of my urbanist friends, I think that the fact that the Ford proposal for Ontario Place wasn't a gaudy casino or dog track has ironed out any slight misgivings about the current proposal. A sense that we dodged a bullet, that the current project isn't perfect, and it's best to accept it and move our energy elsewhere.
 
I don't think they offer that service......... LOL

According to Google, Wards Island does lol.

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