investican

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
Aug 8, 2009
Messages
306
Reaction score
2
Looks like Empress Walk & Pacific Mall with even a cheaper budget.

Just looking at the Office Building is more damaging than inhaling toxic mold in a nearby basement apartment.
 

Therion

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 22, 2008
Messages
1,231
Reaction score
159
The doctors' and dentists' offices will bring in lots of steady foot traffic throughout the day.
 

bob smith

New Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jun 9, 2014
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
A couple of items. I'll break this down in parts.

The mini-mall

I visited the site before the supermarket and now with the market in full operation. The volume of people in the min-mall has gone up significantly. On the weekend, there was hardly any space in the underground parking lot. The supermarket caters to the surrounding demographic which is Persian, Korean and Chinese (isles are labeled Chinese, Korean, Middle Eastern, Japanese) etc. It's been a good addition to the mall and given that the parking lot fills up considerably, these are people visiting that are not part of the condo complex. I agree that the lightening in the supermarket has helped the mall's atmosphere.

The mall is shaping up slowly. Essentially (as sad as it may be), you unusually have 50% of initial business failing and then some brand name stores come in. The businesses that usually come (on cheap rent while a place is under construction) are hair salons, your real estate broker offices, dry cleaners, etc. Every other store is either a hair/nail salon or something equivalent. Most will fail and then established stores will fill the void.

The area of the mall that is still questionable is the food court. For some odd reason, Liberty decided to build a parking garage with direct (same level) access to the supermarket and allow the supermarket to have a small food court (where they are selling bubble tea, sushi, Chinese food) for you to eat right there. As such, a lot of volume in the supermarket may never go up to the actual food court.

The supermarket will be extremely successful given the demographic it's catering to and the fact that (if memory serves me correctly), it's open until 11 pm, which very few places in that neighborhood are. The mall will not be another pacific mall given the mixed demographic in the vicinity.


Apartments
the mini-mall is so so but I do think the residential apartments will be quite successful. That complex has no threat of being blocked with construction on any side (it's on top of a hill) and has a more open feel (the views on the higher floors would be unobstructed) unlike say the yonge and sheppard corridor. Also, unlike empress walk etc, the main advantage this complex has is the location. There are very few locations that have 4 schools (one French immersion) at walking distance along with 3 parks so it's perfect for young families and starters seeking convenience. The mall may not cater to the 'outside' world as much as other constructions, but the residents will have convenience (pharmacy, supermarket, walk in clinics, dentists, mail service, etc).

Hotel/Office Building
Yes, it's a bit of an oddity I have to agree. I'm not sure what business model Liberty was thinking building a hotel here and why they had to stack it as such but I'll reserve judgment until it's complete.
 

Roundabout

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jul 23, 2007
Messages
3,880
Reaction score
1,283
Photos from last night.
In the mall most of the units are still empty, however the supermarket is good, with great selection and reasonable prices.

IMG_20140731_181543.jpg



IMG_20140731_181600.jpg



IMG_20140731_181642.jpg



IMG_20140731_181744.jpg



IMG_20140731_181753.jpg



IMG_20140731_181828.jpg



IMG_20140731_181837.jpg



IMG_20140731_181846.jpg



IMG_20140731_181927.jpg



IMG_20140731_181943.jpg



IMG_20140731_181950.jpg



IMG_20140731_181951.jpg



IMG_20140731_182020.jpg



IMG_20140731_182039.jpg



IMG_20140731_182047.jpg



IMG_20140731_182110.jpg



IMG_20140731_182147.jpg



IMG_20140731_182216.jpg



IMG_20140731_182229.jpg



IMG_20140731_182315.jpg



IMG_20140731_182336.jpg



IMG_20140731_182410.jpg



IMG_20140731_182414.jpg



IMG_20140731_182420.jpg



IMG_20140731_182426.jpg



IMG_20140731_182531.jpg



IMG_20140731_184737.jpg



IMG_20140731_184843.jpg


And a new park with a playground on Meadoview just east of Yonge.


IMG_20140731_184904.jpg



IMG_20140731_184929.jpg
 

Attachments

  • IMG_20140731_181543.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181543.jpg
    91.7 KB · Views: 1,872
  • IMG_20140731_181600.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181600.jpg
    91.8 KB · Views: 1,869
  • IMG_20140731_181642.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181642.jpg
    92.5 KB · Views: 1,865
  • IMG_20140731_181744.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181744.jpg
    96 KB · Views: 1,852
  • IMG_20140731_181753.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181753.jpg
    84.9 KB · Views: 1,882
  • IMG_20140731_181828.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181828.jpg
    85.8 KB · Views: 1,870
  • IMG_20140731_181837.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181837.jpg
    87 KB · Views: 1,867
  • IMG_20140731_181846.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181846.jpg
    83.7 KB · Views: 1,859
  • IMG_20140731_181927.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181927.jpg
    89.7 KB · Views: 1,860
  • IMG_20140731_181943.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181943.jpg
    87.2 KB · Views: 1,871
  • IMG_20140731_181950.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181950.jpg
    88 KB · Views: 1,881
  • IMG_20140731_181951.jpg
    IMG_20140731_181951.jpg
    88 KB · Views: 1,868
  • IMG_20140731_182020.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182020.jpg
    89.2 KB · Views: 1,859
  • IMG_20140731_182039.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182039.jpg
    86.6 KB · Views: 1,852
  • IMG_20140731_182047.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182047.jpg
    93.5 KB · Views: 1,848
  • IMG_20140731_182110.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182110.jpg
    90.5 KB · Views: 1,842
  • IMG_20140731_182147.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182147.jpg
    84.5 KB · Views: 1,851
  • IMG_20140731_182216.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182216.jpg
    82.2 KB · Views: 1,845
  • IMG_20140731_182229.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182229.jpg
    86.3 KB · Views: 1,831
  • IMG_20140731_182315.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182315.jpg
    85.1 KB · Views: 1,838
  • IMG_20140731_182336.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182336.jpg
    81.6 KB · Views: 1,829
  • IMG_20140731_182410.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182410.jpg
    94.9 KB · Views: 1,860
  • IMG_20140731_182414.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182414.jpg
    92.9 KB · Views: 1,812
  • IMG_20140731_182420.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182420.jpg
    89.8 KB · Views: 1,821
  • IMG_20140731_182426.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182426.jpg
    92 KB · Views: 1,838
  • IMG_20140731_182531.jpg
    IMG_20140731_182531.jpg
    81.8 KB · Views: 1,858
  • IMG_20140731_184737.jpg
    IMG_20140731_184737.jpg
    90.4 KB · Views: 1,818
  • IMG_20140731_184843.jpg
    IMG_20140731_184843.jpg
    85.5 KB · Views: 1,831
  • IMG_20140731_184904.jpg
    IMG_20140731_184904.jpg
    94.5 KB · Views: 1,811
  • IMG_20140731_184929.jpg
    IMG_20140731_184929.jpg
    91.2 KB · Views: 1,820

pipolchap

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
Jan 25, 2008
Messages
138
Reaction score
50
I was one of those rare pedestrians looking for the supermarket. Had to ask somebody for directions one Sunday morning. Not really obvious and lack of signage makes it so uninviting.

Why is retail tucked far into the back from the main street? Empress Walk and Hullmark have it right.
 

Torontovibe

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 25, 2007
Messages
5,689
Reaction score
942
And there never will be if they keep designing the buildings like this. What about thinking ahead to the future and charting a better course? This is just very badly designed any way you look at it.
 

MafaldaBoy

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Aug 20, 2010
Messages
1,029
Reaction score
2,224

jaycola

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 8, 2008
Messages
497
Reaction score
22
It's been almost 2 years since the last post on this thread so I thought a quick update might be in order.
The commercial component of this project has been, without any doubt, an absolute failure.
The retail is probably 85% vacant and as of this morning there are 124 commercial units available on MLS within the project.
Businesses that have dared to open have invariably failed and with the exception of the Seasons Grocery (which I rather like) I doubt any business there can cover their rent.
I think the micro commercial style has proved to be a poor choice for most commercial projects as they fail to attract the major retailers and because of the lack of larger footprints, greatly restricts the variety of retail offerings. How many cell phone or sunglasses shops do they need?

The residential component has faired better but there are 40 units available for sale and 13 for lease on MLS. Not an unreasonable number for a complex of this size.
 

Top