Amare
Senior Member
I mean...isnt he one of the one's who voted against both having the SRT replaced with newer Mark vehicles as well as an LRT?
Now he's talking about "special" electrified buses along the same corridor?
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I mean...isnt he one of the one's who voted against both having the SRT replaced with newer Mark vehicles as well as an LRT?
Metal Wheels bad, rubber tires good
At that point you might as well just build an LRT.
Intuitively, I'd agree that deep stations are problematic for ridership. The TYSSE stations take a substantial amount of time to navigate by foot, and the RL South stations were planned to be even deeper, if I recall correctly.
At that point you might as well just build an LRT.
While you're at it, how about you don't destroy the SRT, and just upgrade it with modern signaling and rolling stock, and maybe cover it up with winter shelters? That would be even better than converting it to LRT.If only someone would have thought of that 15 years ago!
While you're at it, how about you don't destroy the SRT, and just upgrade it with modern signaling and rolling stock, and maybe cover it up with winter shelters? That would be even better than converting it to LRT.
There was a 'ton' of support for the LRT as well.
The article is addressing the failure to actually build useful transit for Scarborough based on what people need. The SSE isn't going to do much to address those current issues.
Ford's drastic reduction of City Council makes it far more difficult for people's voices to be heard via local representation.
Yet "Metrolinx News" consistently justifies those decisions, based on their own reasoning (if you could call it that).
That's why criticism of their "news" is very reasonable.
I thought their voices were heard and that's why they are getting a subway?
As someone who lives in Scarborough, I struggle to believe that it had support anywhere close to what the subway has, whether it is warranted is another question (I don't think it is).It doesn't matter how many billions are being spent if the core issues aren't being addressed.
The LRT plan was well on it's way to being built, with considerable support from the community - even with a transfer.
Yes, and the LRT would be worse than the RT in nearly every way - while costing a lot.They have not been ignored. They got the subway they asked for. Yet they will continue to feel ignored, as the subway does nothing to address the root of the transportation issue in Scarborough.
“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”- Henry Ford, allegedly
This subway is the proverbial faster horse.
Before people magically discovered trams in 2007 the TTC themselves suggested just upgrading the RTAnd the active consultations regarding the SRT replacement have been carried out since 2007/8; enough time to design and build any option, it could be running already if the city and the province got their acts together.
Ah yes, the cost of fixing one tunnel (which goes under tracks and basically nothing else) and a small set of bespoke railcars is more than heavy construction on 6 stations, total signaling and electrification change out, a new or rebuilt maintenance facility, AND a new fleet of trains. . .It might cost too much or take too long (or both) to build custom railcars that fit into the SRT guideway, stations, tunnels (between Ellesmere and Midland), and handle the sharp curves. Nobody makes such small cars anymore.
I'm not sure the LRT's on the table would be that much better for addressing the local trips. In the corridors where LRT runs, yes. Eglinton East, the section of Kingston Rd, Sheppard East all would see improvements with LRTs. But the majority of local trips would still be either entirely on buses as they are today, or partly on a bus and partly on a small section of LRT.
Local trips are not that easy to improve; need the majority of arterials equipped with transit lanes. The LRT projects currently on the books for Scarborough would / hopefully will advance in that direction, but well below 50% coverage so far.
Even if you redesigned the curves to allow for Mark 2s to run on the tracks, and made the necessary changes to allow for Mark 2s to run, it would still be cheaper than redesigning the entire line modify the entire lines to support low floor LRVs like what was proposed in Transit City. With that plan you'd have to replace every single station with a low floor station which would require replacing escalators, elevators, or completely modifying the track. Like many things in Transit City, it was a plan that was extremely poorly thought out and was more of a product of a politician pushing his own ideals rather than studies showing if its possible or make financial sense.It might cost too much or take too long (or both) to build custom railcars that fit into the SRT guideway, stations, tunnels (between Ellesmere and Midland), and handle the sharp curves. Nobody makes such small cars anymore.
As someone who lives in Scarborough, I struggle to believe that it had support anywhere close to what the subway has, whether it is warranted is another question (I don't think it is).
Yes, and the LRT would be worse than the RT in nearly every way - while costing a lot.