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nfitz
Superstar
Good question. They'd have more than enough time with earlier vehicles to test line and train drivers. So why not open a few weeks after last vehicle arrives?
Steve X
Senior Member
The whole line would be operational so they can have the late vehicles operating NIS along with in service vehicles. I expect it has something to do with evening out the mileage (An alien concept to the TTC).
At least they'll have the whole line for the 600 km run unlike the crosstown. They are saying they'll have Mount Dennis and Keelesdale up earlier so all crosstown cars would do the 600km on between the two stations. Must be a really boring job. Unlike the ION, the crosstown have ATO which means a longer testing run.
GeneralGrievance
Active Member
Looks like the City and TTC are gradually moving forward with a plan to redevelop the old Yonge-Eglinton bus terminal (and some of the land around it)
"as a mixed-use, transit- oriented hub" once the Crosstown come in. Not entirely sure what this means yet (early days, I guess), but it'll be interesting to see where it goes.
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-92960.pdf
"as a mixed-use, transit- oriented hub" once the Crosstown come in. Not entirely sure what this means yet (early days, I guess), but it'll be interesting to see where it goes.
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-92960.pdf
DonValleyRainbow
Senior Member
Right across the street, 1 Eglinton East is currently proposed at 65 stories (scaled from 68). Kitty-corner, E Condos' tallest tower will be 58 stories. I would expect to see a 60 storey building at the northeast of the site, hopefully offices over condos, but nonetheless something tall. Beyond that, who knows. I know Councillor Matlow has been pushing hard for public space here.
KevinT
Senior Member
Waterloo region councillor Tom Galloway was on the Eric Drozd show this morning, and said installation of the vehicle electronics that coordinate with the track-side signalling will be done by GrandLinq post-delivery rather than by Bombardier. That work plus the 600 km burn-in is what results in the lengthy delay between delivery and entry into service.
Not sure how long they keep the audio online, but for anyone that wants to hear it it's in the May 25 10:00 a.m. segment posted at http://www.570news.com/audio/the-eric-drozd-show/, starting about 22 minutes in.
(Edit: I know this isn't the ION thread, but this stemmed from a line of questioning related to yesterday's announcement of the delayed opening for ION caused by BBD's push back to October 2017 for delivery of the final vehicle.)
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44 North
Senior Member
Yep, anything would be better than more condos. Parks, community centres, heck even an industrial building or urban farm. Although Y+E has exceptionally high population and employment compared to other GTHA "Urban Growth Centres" (#1 in that category, ahead of NYC and DT) - there's currently a very poor land use diversity (with it sitting in third-last place in that category between RHC-LG and VMC...both very awful non-urban places).
*this is 2011-2013ish data, and I'm sure things have shifted since it was compiled
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Amare
Senior Member
Knowing what goes on in this city, we'll probably see yet another condo development take place on the bus terminal site. I'm not optimistic on seeing any kind of office space whatsoever around here.
crs1026
Superstar
Sadly, "Mixed Use" zoning roughly translates as 'We hope we can attract some employment uses, but in the end the developer will prevail and we will end up with more condos".
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Palma
Senior Member
that area is looking just as bad as Yonge and Bloor where condos are coming right out to the sidewalk as if they are going over you (condo on south east side of Bloor and Yonge). Just awful. Lets see what happens when prices crash and investors pull out.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
It used to be that physicians and dentists actually had their offices on the first floor of houses. People (sometimes even the doctors themselves) would live on the second and/or third floors. Then they were forced, by municipal zoning by-laws, to locate away from residential areas. It resulted in their patients having to drive instead of walk to their appointments.
We're finally returning to mixed-use, except that the offices the doctors will now use, will have higher rents. And we'll wonder why the doctors charge a lot for their services.
Amare
Senior Member
The way the term "mixed-use" translates in this city is, build a wall of ground level retail which consists of cafes, dry cleaning services, and banks while the other 95% of the development is residential. This is the trend Yonge and Eglinton has been going through over the past 5 years, and I dont see it changing with the bus terminal.
Like I mentioned in the past, this site would be an excellent location for a new TTC headquarters as it's still owned by the public sector. The TTC's current headquarters is literally decaying and I dont see why that city couldnt negotiate a similar type of deal the province did with the LCBO lands at Cooper St. But with the way things work in this city, all that will be overlooked and it will all be sold off for a quick penny without a provision for anything.
Like I mentioned in the past, this site would be an excellent location for a new TTC headquarters as it's still owned by the public sector. The TTC's current headquarters is literally decaying and I dont see why that city couldnt negotiate a similar type of deal the province did with the LCBO lands at Cooper St. But with the way things work in this city, all that will be overlooked and it will all be sold off for a quick penny without a provision for anything.
Palma
Senior Member
The scenario above is playing out everywhere. The condos on Wilson opposite Wilson subway station have those ground floor "mixed" sitting pretty well empty. I don't see much happening either at condos at Dufferin and Lawrence on those ground floor spaces. Gov;'t is famous for just selling off land for less than what its worth and when they have the opportunity to save money as I heard this week the gov't could have cancelled some Samsung deal with no penalty and save 1.5B and did not do so.
Zach6668
Active Member
Retail/commercial follows population. It takes a while for the demand to build up to the point where new stores are profitable. Plus, being new buildings, they typically ask for higher rents and or sometimes even commercial condo units. Lots of different factors at play, but especially for ground floor retail in newer condo neighbourhoods, it takes a long time for the right market conditions to create thriving and interesting retail.
However, the whole idea of planning is so that in the long run, we have those spaces available. They may go underused now, but it's better to protect for them than to have a neighbourhood in 40 years with no room for any walkable commercial activity.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
For those who missed out on the Mount Dennis Station Open House on May 27th, you can link to the presentation at this link.
They played around with the station layout.
Building No. 9 will be "moved". The bus loop is now bigger and moved.
I wonder if the buses from the Mount Dennis garage will use the Kodak lands as a "short cut" to and from the bus terminal at Mount Dennis Station?
They played around with the station layout.
Building No. 9 will be "moved". The bus loop is now bigger and moved.
I wonder if the buses from the Mount Dennis garage will use the Kodak lands as a "short cut" to and from the bus terminal at Mount Dennis Station?
