[nfitz]

If Rosedale & Davisville Stations can use a "cheap" outdoor platform cover, so can the outdoor stops on the Crosstown.

I don't think they'd be much complaining if the shelters were that extensive. The ones on the Eglinton line don't look wide enough to block a lot of the rain - and have no wing-walls, so no protection from the wind.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

We've seen them do better with rapid bus transit .... there's no reason they can't do better now. It's 2017 now, not 1997. We expect better now.

So the question is - why should they better for this and not do better for everyone else? Who is this "we"?

AoD

 

[Sakraycore]

So the question is - why should they better for this and not do better for everyone else? Who is this "we"?

AoD

Because it's a new project. We need to up the standards, not be content with what we have..

We stands for Toronto residents.

 

[BMO]

That didn't really answer the question though - if you are saying Eglinton is shortchanged, then Spadina, Harbourfront and even St. Clair is even more extremely short-changed, both as an absolute statement of the condition and relative to ridership. People have been using them for ages now, why is that acceptable there and not here?

AoD

Almost as if you need to spend more money on design to make transit attractive in an area dominated by private automobiles, compared to an area where ~80% of travel is done by transit, walking, and cycling.

 

[Avenue]

People along Eglinton are getting shortchanged...

I have serious concerns with the above ground portion of this line and how slow and delay-prone it will be, but saying "People along Eglinton are getting shortchanged" is a bit odd when you factor in the fact that those people overwhelmingly vote for fiscal conservative politicians at every opportunity. You could probably say they got a great value for their money.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Almost as if you need to spend more money on design to make transit attractive in an area dominated by private automobiles, compared to an area where ~80% of travel is done by transit, walking, and cycling.

Because making it over-the-top pretty, curved glazing and all (a la Viva) will result in a significant ridership increase over the current baselined design, which is already superior to most existing at grade transit stops? For a predominantly strip mall/big box environment?

AoD

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Because it's a new project. We need to up the standards, not be content with what we have..

We stands for Toronto residents.

I look forward to area residents voting for politicians supporting such and the attendant tax increase required.

AoD

 

[aquateam]

Because making it over-the-top pretty, curved glazing and all (a la Viva) will result in a significant ridership increase over the current baselined design, which is already superior to most existing at grade transit stops? For a predominantly strip mall/big box environment?

AoD

We're spending $6.6 billion (year of expenditure $) on this line and $200 million on streetscape improvements (Eglinton connects) so it seems strange to scrimp on shelters.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

We're spending $8 billion (year of expenditure) on this line and $200 million on streetscape improvements (Eglinton connects) so it seems strange to scrimp on shelters.

It's not scrimp - it's what's the value added beyond what's being proposed, especially keeping in mind a) lifecycle of above around shelters and b) ridership. Are we doing this because of overwhelming need and increase in efficiency/comfort this offers - or are we doing it because of insecurity? If you want to argue for selected enclosure or heating sure, but Viva is sheer overkill. And on top of that - it isn't like I can't think of a myriad of ways to suck up each cent spent above and beyond this that will provide greater impact to transit riders at large.

AoD

 

[nfitz]

Would simple wing-walls cost that much? At least it would give somewhere to cower when a cold wind blows.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Would simple wing-walls cost that much? At least it would give somewhere to cower when a cold wind blows.

That's the kind of modification they should look at for practicality, not let's bling it up because " it looks sad" or "it is what "x" deserves".

AoD

 

[crs1026]

Doesn't strike me that anyone is asking for "lavish" or "expensive". The comments are merely asking for "functional" and "marketable". And yes, we should up our game on the other routes too. The platforms on St Clair are part way to this standard, and there are some bits of roof on Spadina.

And, yes, we are trying to change deep-rooted behaviours. Standing in the rain or sleet is not going to help with that.

- Paul

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Hopefully any kind of overhead shelter over the entire length of a platform is better than none.

Compared with the outdoor New York City subway stations going without any overhead shelter would be better.

 

[OneCity]

That's the kind of modification they should look at for practicality, not let's bling it up because " it looks sad" or "it is what "x" deserves".

AoD

It doesn't cost much to have some artistic touch to the chosen footprint and as posted the functionality is questionable and quite unwelcoming given our climate. Minor details and investments in the bigger budget that would go a long way to attracting ridership.

 

[BurlOak]

That didn't really answer the question though - if you are saying Eglinton is shortchanged, then Spadina, Harbourfront and even St. Clair is even more extremely short-changed, both as an absolute statement of the condition and relative to ridership. People have been using them for ages now, why is that acceptable there and not here?

AoD

At least we are all starting to agree that Spadina, Harbourfront, and St. Clair are comparable LRT's to Eglinton.