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DonValleyRainbow
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denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Sad about Milton. Looks like we wont get rail service anytime soon. Although I don't see why CP would be against more tracks.
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Towered
Senior Member
Is expropriation an option?
robmausser
Senior Member
They arent, but they have to install them, and the last time they overcharged Metrolinx 800%. CP isnt against it, Metrolinx is against paying CP exorbitant amounts of money for tracks.
robmausser
Senior Member
Not just permission but they have to build the tracks, and charge Metrolinx. They often overcharge ridiculous sums.
crs1026
Superstar
I haven't found a source for whatever study GO did that looked at the Milton line, so I'm speculating here. My suspicion - To get a full separated 2-track ROW for GO inserted alongside the CP mainline, I suspect all sorts of land would have to be acquired along the CP ROW. The amount of land might be minimal, eg maybe as little as 5-10 meters widening to the rail corridor, but the number of properties and the number of discrete negotiations and (worst case) expropriations would be large. The price tag would be significant. Possibly just not manageable.
If you mean can GO expropriate CP, I'd refer you to the ruling that I recently posted where VIA won the right to add train frequency through CP's Smiths Falls interlocking. It's technically possible, but it's not a slam dunk.
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Allandale25
Senior Member
^ Isn't the "source" what they put forward as options in the Initial BCA?
crs1026
Superstar
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ I would just clarify that the Initial RER BCA had a lot more detail - and track maps - than the full GO Expansion BCA.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Not shocked.
Allandale25
Senior Member
They may have had a concept plan but not the cash from the Ministry and/or CP approval.
drum118
Superstar
There had to be a study done to get the 3rd track plan on the table in early 2000's if the 3rd track was to go to Milton in the end by 2011. Only 2 section of 3 tracks was built, including a 3rd track bridge at Cawthra Rd.
Wynne 2014 election platform call for 4 tracks to Milton with a fly under at Humber River to be completed by 2021/22 at a cost of $2.2(?) billion. GO would use the north side of the corridor and see a few more stations added to the line. There was to be a number of grade separation to take place as well under a different program.
Going beyond Milton is way down the road and would cost more than the upgrading of the existing corridor.
At the end of the day, all rail corridors need to be 4 track to allow CN/CP 2 tracks and GO 2 tracks. In a few place it will be 5/6 tracks.
Wynne 2014 election platform call for 4 tracks to Milton with a fly under at Humber River to be completed by 2021/22 at a cost of $2.2(?) billion. GO would use the north side of the corridor and see a few more stations added to the line. There was to be a number of grade separation to take place as well under a different program.
Going beyond Milton is way down the road and would cost more than the upgrading of the existing corridor.
At the end of the day, all rail corridors need to be 4 track to allow CN/CP 2 tracks and GO 2 tracks. In a few place it will be 5/6 tracks.
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ Do you have a copy of that 3rd track early 2000s study? I don't recall seeing the 4th track/fly under by 2021/22 in the 2014 platform at a cost of $2.2B. I only recall them mentioning GO RER on lines they own.
Here's what I posted when we discussed this in July 2017.
urbantoronto.ca
Here's what I posted when we discussed this in July 2017.
407 Rail Freight Bypass/The Missing Link
I love the pitiful dollar figure for Milton versus virtually every other line.
cbrown2009
Active Member
I do remember the four track/flyover thing. That’s what I was posting about earlier. It was before the RER only on Metrolinx owned track phase of announcements, when they thought to improve service on all 7 lines. Don’t quite remember if it was full system RER or some sort of steady AD2W pre RER as we came to know it.
Now that I think about it, it may have indeed been a full system RER, then morphed into 30-60 minute AD2W diesel service because of CP’s opposition to catenary going up in their corridor.(?)
Now that I think about it, it may have indeed been a full system RER, then morphed into 30-60 minute AD2W diesel service because of CP’s opposition to catenary going up in their corridor.(?)