[nfitz]

I'm curious about what you find bad about this seating arrangement? It looks like a regular standing room/ high capacity seating arrangement to me. I don't get the cattle car comment either...

It reduces the available seating, and ends up with more standing.

But I'm sure you recall the uproar - leading to the famous cattle car comments that quickly ended the plan.

 

[NoahB]

It reduces the available seating, and ends up with more standing.

But I'm sure you recall the uproar - leading to the famous cattle car comments that quickly ended the plan.

Fair. Many don't like perimeter seating. I do find it has merit in its boost to capacity.

I only got interested in transit 5 years ago and only joined the forums 11 months ago. So I wasn't around for the uproar. haha

 

[nfitz]

I only got interested in transit 5 years ago and only joined the forums 11 months ago. So I wasn't around for the uproar. haha

Globe - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...s-get-the-bums-rush-from-ttc/article18159157/

Steve Munro - https://stevemunro.ca/2006/07/18/cattle-car-update-new-subway-car-seating/

And of course our thread here - https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...ubway-cars-in-delivery-bombardier.3338/page-3

It's not like I invented the term "cattle car"!

 

[Reecemartin]

Montreal just unveiled the first Alstom Metropolis train that will be used on the Montreal REM system, and I got the chance to check them out in person! Enjoy this first hand look.

 

[11th]

Fair. Many don't like perimeter seating. I do find it has merit in its boost to capacity.

I only got interested in transit 5 years ago and only joined the forums 11 months ago. So I wasn't around for the uproar. haha

Might I add it doesn't just boost capacity, but also eliminates chokepoints at the perpendicular seating.

 

[slapped_chicken]

Longitudinal seating works much better during crush hour since you get far more standing room in the middle of the train and better movement. I think it offers more capacity, but it definitely offers better flow of people! I prefer it, as someone who stands just about any time I take the TTC (unless it's a bus). Giving REM perimeter seating might seem a bit odd since it's a commuter-metro hybrid of sorts, but I guess they must be expecting really high ridership.

I wish we had longitudinal seating on the new LRT trains that were built for Line 5/6, since the trains are narrow and have the same chokepoints as the streetcars. But I realize that's probably difficult to do since a low-floor train will have these chokepoints anyways because the bogies eat up floor space inside.

 

[nfitz]

Might I add it doesn't just boost capacity, but also eliminates chokepoints at the perpendicular seating.

I don't really see chokepoints in the T1 and TRs. Not like you see riding the Flexity Outlook and even the Flexity Freedoms.

 

[WislaHD]

Montreal just unveiled the first Alstom Metropolis train that will be used on the Montreal REM system, and I got the chance to check them out in person! Enjoy this first hand look.

Sidenote but you should bring up your recent video on the GO-ALRT to the Transit Fantasy Map thread. It was great work.

 

[MartinMtl]

More pics of the REM cars.

all pics: JF_Savaria on Facebook

Unrelated side note: I love that I'm identified as a new member, yet I joined in 2007

 

[Reecemartin]

Here are some more pictures I took:

 

[APTA-2048]

Here are some more pictures I took:

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Kind of a shame those aren’t actually headlights. But I’m assuming some regulation has dictated the design of headlight to be used.

 

[SFO-YYZ]

The REM is slated to open the first section in 2022 (they announced delays recently iirc), so by the time the REM opens its doors, its likely COVID won't be much of an issue.

Seasonal flu, future pandemics, etc. etc. Plenty of public health issues year round that get exacerbated in close quarters. This doesn't just end because Covid is "scheduled" to end next year. Hence why not a single metro line in China have soft/fabric seating. Far easier to wipe down and disinfect on a daily basis when it's all plastic with perimeter side seating.

 

[SFO-YYZ]

Longitudinal seating works much better during crush hour since you get far more standing room in the middle of the train and better movement. I think it offers more capacity, but it definitely offers better flow of people! I prefer it, as someone who stands just about any time I take the TTC (unless it's a bus). Giving REM perimeter seating might seem a bit odd since it's a commuter-metro hybrid of sorts, but I guess they must be expecting really high ridership.

I wish we had longitudinal seating on the new LRT trains that were built for Line 5/6, since the trains are narrow and have the same chokepoints as the streetcars. But I realize that's probably difficult to do since a low-floor train will have these chokepoints anyways because the bogies eat up floor space inside.

Agree. One of my biggest issues with the new AZUR trains is the perpendicular forward/backward seating. It's nice and all during non peak hours but during peak hours, it's nearly impossible to move around the car or move between cars because of the various choke points caused by the perpendicular seating arrangements. AZURs were designed with open gangways, which are meant to spread out bodies during rush hour, but the seating arrangement essentially cancels out this ability to move around the train.

This isn't so much of an issue of the TTC rockets because the greater car width, but definitely create bottle necks on narrower cars like the AZURs and LRTs.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Kind of a shame those aren’t actually headlights. But I’m assuming some regulation has dictated the design of headlight to be used.

Headlights? Montréal streetcars didn't have headlights in their day, why start now?

From link.

A unique feature of Montreal streetcars is readily apparent in these photos. Montreal streetcars did not have headlights. Note the "cowling" just below the front windshields. There were several lightbulbs screwed in vertically under the cowling, which somewhat lit up the advertisements and the front of the car. Streetcars assigned to routes with lots of private right-of-way running however, had portable headlights hung on the front.

 

[ShonTron]

I'm really surprised that the MTC PCCs didn't have headlights, as they were diverted by the federal government from a TTC order.