Given how real estate projects are financed and the nature of the eventual proponent(s) involved in any broader redevelopment scheme here, the cost is nearly irrelevant in the question of teardown vs. retrofit.

I would imagine the more salient concern for the baseball team in that respect is the value of time -- after two years of an unprecedented amount of disruption to the players and staff (and the costs associated with playing at both Dunedin and Buffalo), I imagine the retrofit is the preferred option at this point. Shapiro himself has also been pretty clear that the players really disliked being moved around (understandably) and playing in subpar physical environments and that it was an issue they had to discuss with free agent targets.

For a team that has now entered its prime window of competitiveness, and given what the team has recently gone through, I don't imagine relocating is at all desirable to them at this moment.

It would likely not be replaced until the end of this competitive cycle anyway (late 2020s). Maybe they could look at temporarily using BMO field after it gets expanded for the world cup in 2026.

Otherwise if you had to work around the existing site without vacating it would take many years, including at least one year playing in a partially complete stadium and probably 2+ years playing without a roof.
 
With the way the batter's box would need to face, we'd have a fairly ugly backdrop in the portlands.

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It's the last active cookie cutter stadium in existence....
So we have something distinctive, that should be replaced with one that's like all the others?
From this thread I understand that true baseball fans like going to games for world class city views, to scroll their phones internet for free and to appreciate a good piece of grass.
At halftime during games at the pre-expansion BMO Field I would often look at the Island Airport, Molson Amphitheatre, and tall buildings in the downtown core.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMO_Field#/media/File:First-goal-at-BMO.jpg
I doubt there is now a large contingent of fans who would otherwise want to attend games but refuse because of the reduced view.
The old north grandstand of CNE/Exhibition Stadium also had a view of the downtown core.
...What about a glass roof then? It lets in natural light.
As pointed out earlier in this thread, that might be okay for football/soccer/rugby, but it doesn't seem to work for baseball because fly balls get lost in the glare.
 
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It's not a single thing it’s a bunch of little things that have annoyed me in the last 10 years of Rogers Centre.

Another issue there is wifi coverage is pathetic there, especially annoying when the owners are Rogers and wifi is essential to run all new amenities that are being put in stadiums

Being a giant block of concrete built before WiFi was even a thing might be contributing to that issue.
 
Marlins ballpark is a terrible terrible building. Panned by most as a vanity project for the man who murdered the expos then Marlins owner Jeff Loria.

Still think it's a bit nicer then RC. I must say though, I can't believe how bad they botched that stadium when the blue print for popular stadiums was already done. Same with the new Texas Stadium. I understand they wanted to get out of the heat in Texas, but there old stadium was a nicer stadium then the new one. That in my mind was a stadium that just needed to reno and add a roof. Atlanta's new stadium is nice.

Anyway, I think it's clear that something needs to be done about RC, we'll see what happens.
 
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Marlins ballpark is a terrible terrible building. Panned by most as a vanity project for the man who murdered the expos then Marlins owner Jeff Loria.

"New" doesn't always mean good quality and from what I've read, that's exactly what Marlins Park is: poor quality. Not surprising considering it was a Jeff Loria project. The location itself is also a ghost town surrounding by multiple parking structures.

People are really trying to claim this is somehow infinitely superior to what we currently have: https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...f55a8ac3f8e86!8m2!3d25.7781487!4d-80.2195998#
 
This has been posted before but to use the existing site we would have to do something like this. It would likely mean removing the skydome roof early and then playing at-least one season at the new park without a roof.

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I'd take the Rogers Centre location (even if it came with the current structure) over the dozen or so stadiums that are situated in a sea of parking lots. For all the accolades Kaufmann stadium gets in KC, it's still just surrounded by parking lots, blech.

This is supposed to be an urbanist forum and nobody seems to be taking that into consideration.
 
Still think it's a bit nicer then RC. I must say though, I can't believe how bad they botched that stadium when the blue print for popular stadiums was already done. Same with the new Texas Stadium. I understand they wanted to get of the heat in Texas, but there old stadium was a nicer stadium then the new one. That in my mind was a stadium that just needed to reno and add a roof. Atlanta's new stadium is nice.

Anyway, I think it's clear that something needs to be done about RC, we'll see what happens.

You are welcome to your own opinion but it's really an awful stadium, particularly for one built less than 10 years ago.
 
I believe the plan is for something like this. Cincinnati did the same thing.
Yea, Cincinnati almost had room for the two full stadiums, which we don't. And having a roof on both stadiums definitely complicates this maneuver.

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Yea, Cincinnati almost had room for the two full stadiums, which we don't. And having a roof on both stadiums definitely complicates this maneuver.

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Cincinnati is also an example of a ball park whose outfield views do not open up to the downtown skyline, it's out to the river. So a plus for the Portlands idea.

I think the partial demo/partial build is more a of a trial balloon to test the waters of public opinions. I doubt they are serious about that project.
 
Cincinnati is also an example of a ball park whose outfield views do not open up to the downtown skyline, it's out to the river. So a plus for the Portlands idea.

I think the partial demo/partial build is more a of a trial balloon to test the waters of public opinions. I doubt they are serious about that project.
I did some measuring of the site used in St. Louis for the demo/construction of both stadiums. It's approximately 250m wide x 475m long.

The expanded Rogers Centre site would be about 250m wide x 375m long.
 
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