MacLac said:
Whewww! Too see the boondoggle happening in YYC now with their Green line. I am sssssooo glad we’re getting a 27Km line for under $5B! Compared to their 10Km / $6.2B fragmented line. How can they justify $600M/Km?! Mind blowing shit!
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Interesting to read about the outcome of this heavily scaled down project. The city had to come up with an extra $700M on top of what was already committed for this watered down phase. That city seems to have a lot of money available given some of the major projects happening there.
I read about a grand central train station planned near their arena that the province has highlighted in its master rail transportation plan.

Maybe this has been talked about, but is there a similar provincial plan for a grand central station in Edmonton that would tie in our lrt with commuter and intercity rail, and if so, where is the planned location?
 
northlands said:
Looking back, VLSE really was great value for money, considering it included tunneling, a beautiful river crossing bridge, 12 stations (including an elevated one), and 30 years of O&M for $1.8b.

Gotta think TransEd completely lost their shirt on this. No idea how they could have turned any sort of profit after all the construction issues + inflation. Per their original agreement, I believe they were supposed to forfeit a few million every month that it wasn't open as well (albeit likely COVID invoked some fore majeur protection).
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Does the $1.8b include operations though? Maybe it includes a base level of service, but in 2021 Council agreed to fund an increased service level at around $2-3 million per year which now provides us with about half of the trains being 2 cars. Certainly that, and any future increases, are over and above the $1.8b.
 
Avenuer said:
The Green Line situation is turning into a bigger debacle then the delays to the Valley Line SE construction and the Green Line isn't even under construction yet. I wonder if it ever will be at this point lol
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Yikes!! So the Green Line is now going to cost nearly $1B more while cutting the number of stations, length, and ridership in half?
One underground station is being deferred and a second brought to surface-level, i.e. now only two underground stations on a shorter line with a $6.25B price tag??

....and here I thought Edmonton had major infrastructure project delivery issues
 
That's... awful...

Heritage Valley just started construction at a cost of $300m/km including the recent cost increase and an OMF. Metro Line is a similar length and it could double to $600m/km and still be $2.7 billion.

Is it the tunnel? If it's going to cost them several billion to tunnel, just tunnel the much busier blue and red lines and keep the green line at grade.
 
dkazzed said:
That's... awful...

Heritage Valley just started construction at a cost of $300m/km including the recent cost increase and an OMF. Metro Line is a similar length and it could double to $600m/km and still be $2.7 billion.
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That cost estimate for Metro Line NW sounds about right. It's a mere extension (not a new line) that includes one underpass (137th Ave), just like the Capital Line South, and even with the looooong bridge over Walker (analogous to the two bridges on CLSE), it can't possibly go above a $2.5 billion price tag. Although I do think they need to add another underpass at Castle Downs Road (so that trains don't block two major arterials on a very tight turn), so that'll push the price tag up.
 
I got suggested a video about this on Youtube and it ended up being way too deep of a dive, but the Valley Line has an equivalent of sorts with Helsinki Light Rail 15 (Jokeri). It opened last year (ahead of schedule unlike ours lol)

It's interesting to see similar distances and a similar commute time. Jokeri has 34 stations, and is 25 km in length. (Ours is 28 stations and 27 km at full build) and from one of the videos, it seems it takes an hour to go from one end of the line to the other. It really does show that the Valley Line, for ill or for good, is essentially a European tramway at its core.


 
I think part of the rationale for this line was to encourage development along the way, some of which has happened or is already happening and more is proposed.

I realize it is not designed only as a commuter line. I don't know how it compares to driving downtown time wise for commuters, but when you factor in looking for and paying for parking it probably comes out ahead.
 
The Valley Line is probably slightly slower than routes like 401 (Sherwood Park) and 500X (The Meadows). The Valley Line, though, saves at least 10 minutes off the old bus routes to Mill Woods.

The greatest benefit is that a rider on LRT can reach most major destinations in an hour or less.
 
Looking north at 156st and 100ave. I’m assuming they’ll try to have the whole east side of 156st that’s dug up finished and repaved before winter?
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I've recently had a chance to use the Valley line as part of my work commute while my car is in the shop. Although I've ridden it before this is the first time as part of a commute, I live near Stadium and work down near the Whitemud.
I've been reasonably impressed. I think my biggest annoyance is there not being a station between Davies and Millbourne, because the trip to/from Davies is the most pain in the butt part of the journey.

So given that, I've been bringing my bike onto the train so I can bike to and from the train, and especially with the new MUP along 75st it's been pretty seamless. I can get door to door in 35-40m which is pretty good considering my normal driving commute is normally 20-25m.
 
The_Cat said:
The Valley Line is probably slightly slower than routes like 401 (Sherwood Park) and 500X (The Meadows). The Valley Line, though, saves at least 10 minutes off the old bus routes to Mill Woods.

The greatest benefit is that a rider on LRT can reach most major destinations in an hour or less.
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Yeah, I spent years on overcrowded ETS buses that got bogged down in traffic between downtown and Mill Woods. My experiences riding the Valley Line so far have been enough to overcome my residual seething hatred of the idea of ever going to Mill Woods. The closest station to my then place of work is admittedly a bit shit (Millbourne-Woodvale), but then that's because of the neighbourhoods and not so much the station. Even with the whole area being about as walkable as an old minefield, it still would've a great improvement over that commute. It's not just time savings, but a much better ride experience.
 
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