ownthesky said:
I would argue that Calgary, which is far from perfect, has done a much better job managing suburban growth radially compared to Mississauga.

1) Kept freeways out of their downtown instead of planning a downtown abutting a freeway
2) Established rail lines were built before sprawl and can now extend into the neighborhoods
3) Established BRT routes
4) Good ring road network diverts remote commuters around the core instead of through it

Mississauga now desperately needs to play catch-up. You're right, Mississauga is the "natural" growth of a suburban town if you do literally nothing to plan differently!
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Calgary being its own independent city had different things going for it. I would consider the road just north of the river to be considered a highway. Their version and our versions of highways are radically different. And our versions are partially based off of being next to Toronto which hosts the busiest highway in the world. Also I’m pretty sure both the Gardiner and the Queen elizabeth way are considered highways and they go right through Toronto. Toronto had a chance to make it an avenue. Guess what it’s still a highway. As for Calgary their downtown is a ghost town after 6pm. Because everyone lives in the suburbs. And that means the stores downtown don’t do well on the weekends. Admittedly I haven’t been there in a decade but not that much could have changed.
 
sixrings said:
Calgary being its own independent city had different things going for it. I would consider the road just north of the river to be considered a highway. Their version and our versions of highways are radically different. And our versions are partially based off of being next to Toronto which hosts the busiest highway in the world. Also I’m pretty sure both the Gardiner and the Queen elizabeth way are considered highways and they go right through Toronto. Toronto had a chance to make it an avenue. Guess what it’s still a highway. As for Calgary their downtown is a ghost town after 6pm. Because everyone lives in the suburbs. And that means the stores downtown don’t do well on the weekends. Admittedly I haven’t been there in a decade but not that much could have changed.
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What you're saying was valid, but it's not like Mississauga amalgamated last year, it happened when my parents were children. So how many generations do you think should get a pass before a city is expected to pull its socks up and do some urban planning? Like Mississauga, Calgary has also annexed neighboring towns in their suburban extremities in our lifetime.

Mississauga will soon face the music a little later than most cities in North America that boomed after ww2: miles and miles of unsustainable suburban infrastructure without the tax base to fix it.
 
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What you're saying was valid, but it's not like Mississauga amalgamated last year, it happened when my parents were children. So how many generations do you think should get a pass before a city is expected to pull its socks up and do some urban planning? Like Mississauga, Calgary has also annexed neighboring towns in their suburban extremities in our lifetime.

Mississauga will soon face the music a little later than most cities in North America that boomed after ww2: miles and miles of unsustainable suburban infrastructure without the tax base to fix it.
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Would you please like to make a commentary on the rest of the suburbs cities around Toronto. How is Oakville doing? Ajax? Pickering? Whitby? Markham? Vaughan? Brampton?

I’d also like to note that once we go north of Eglinton within Toronto we basically have the same unsustainable build form. Also Toronto may have built well when cars were sparse and the street car suburbs was their goals. But after that there was a whole bunch of suburban like planning see again north of Eglinton. In fact just before 2000 there was very very few condos downtown Toronto. Instead there was a whole bunch of parking lots. Stretch back to the blue jays World Series win and my goodness there is barely anything west of university. So it’s only the last few decades where Toronto boomed in a city like fashion.

I’d also like to note that part of the reason there is so much office development these days closer to union is because of you guessed it, those pesky suburb people.


Toronto 1834
Calgary 1894 Mississauga 1974

Density
Toronto 4,427.8/km2
Calgary 1,592.4/km2
Mississauga 2,467.60/km2

Anyways I think you should give Mississauga a few more years before you judge it fully. Can we at least see the difference a LRT make and all day cooksville Go. And MCC will grow once the world starts building again.
 
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sixrings said:
Would you please like to make a commentary on the rest of the suburbs cities around Toronto. How is Oakville doing? Ajax? Pickering? Whitby? Markham? Vaughan? Brampton?

I’d also like to note that once we go north of Eglinton within Toronto we basically have the same unsustainable build form. Also Toronto may have built well when cars were sparse and the street car suburbs was their goals. But after that there was a whole bunch of suburban like planning see again north of Eglinton. In fact just before 2000 there was very very few condos downtown Toronto. Instead there was a whole bunch of parking lots. Stretch back to the blue jays World Series win and my goodness there is barely anything west of university. So it’s only the last few decades where Toronto boomed in a city like fashion.

I’d also like to note that part of the reason there is so much office development these days closer to union is because of you guessed it, those pesky suburb people.


Toronto 1834
Calgary 1894 Mississauga 1974

Density
Toronto 4,427.8/km2
Calgary 1,592.4/km2
Mississauga 2,467.60/km2

Anyways I think you should give Mississauga a few more years before you judge it fully. Can we at least see the difference a LRT make and all day cooksville Go. And MCC will grow once the world starts building again.
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I'm not sure why you're insisting on playing this weird game of whataboutism. I don't think anyone here is claiming that Mississauga is worse than Vaughan or Markham, but nobody is making those kinds of comparisons. This is a thread on the Hurontario LRT, and the discussion is how Mississauga fares as a suburban settlement on it's own merits. Saying "But Vaughan" or "But Markham" isn't a defense. As a side note, I'm not confident that the LRT will somehow make a huge difference.
 
ARG1 said:
I'm not sure why you're insisting on playing this weird game of whataboutism. I don't think anyone here is claiming that Mississauga is worse than Vaughan or Markham, but nobody is making those kinds of comparisons. This is a thread on the Hurontario LRT, and the discussion is how Mississauga fares as a suburban settlement on it's own merits. Saying "But Vaughan" or "But Markham" isn't a defense. As a side note, I'm not confident that the LRT will somehow make a huge difference.
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It’s “weird” when random people show up in Mississauga threads just to be negative. I didn’t my randomly go on the Hamilton thread and crap on it.

Maybe you think it would be constructive for me to go on the Hamilton thread and randomly post how their lrt will not help the sad state their downtown is blah blah blah blah blah.

Maybe we can wait till Hamilton has their lrt built before being negative.
 
sixrings said:
Would you please like to make a commentary on the rest of the suburbs cities around Toronto. How is Oakville doing? Ajax? Pickering? Whitby? Markham? Vaughan? Brampton?
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The difference is that Oakville, Ajax, Pickering, Whitby, Markham, Vaughan and yes….even Brampton….don’t go around pretending that they’re not a suburb of Toronto. Those places know what they are and they realize their population and economic activity are directly tied to Toronto. They view themselves as one.

I recall about a decade ago about Mississauga making a huge deal out of Pearson being named Toronto Pearson instead of Mississauga Pearson. Some seem convinced that the growth of Mississauga has been separate from Toronto. It’s even emphasized on their Wikipedia page lol.

So if Mississauga wants to view itself as a “real city” then it needs to start acting like one. I’ve always found it so cringe how this overblown suburb continuously runs with this “we’re our own city” narrative. Like get a grip already.

nationalpost.com

Welcome to Toronto... Mississauga: Mayor wants banner at Pearson to let people know where the airport really is

'I think it’s extremely important that they’re welcomed to Toronto, yes, but to Mississauga first. And then they go to Toronto, OK?'
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
 
6ixGod said:
The difference is that Oakville, Ajax, Pickering, Whitby, Markham, Vaughan and yes….even Brampton….don’t go around pretending that they’re not a suburb of Toronto. Those places know what they are and they realize their population and economic activity are directly tied to Toronto. They view themselves as one.

I recall about a decade ago about Mississauga making a huge deal out of Pearson being named Toronto Pearson instead of Mississauga Pearson. Some seem convinced that the growth of Mississauga has been separate from Toronto. It’s even emphasized on their Wikipedia page lol.

So if Mississauga wants to view itself as a “real city” then it needs to start acting like one. I’ve always found it so cringe how this overblown suburb continuously runs with this “we’re our own city” narrative. Like get a grip already.

nationalpost.com

Welcome to Toronto... Mississauga: Mayor wants banner at Pearson to let people know where the airport really is

'I think it’s extremely important that they’re welcomed to Toronto, yes, but to Mississauga first. And then they go to Toronto, OK?'
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com
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Well that’s one view. I think it’s admirable they didn’t just see themselves as a bedroom community. You can have your own opinion.

Still the random people from outside Mississauga who come in here to crap on it is weird. Typically if you are happy in your own world you don’t feel the need to bash others. That goes both ways. When suburb people go on and on about living in a shoebox they are insulting Toronto which isn’t helpful. But I do have a thought that perhaps the people who say these type of things or classify all of the suburbs as McMansions aren’t helpful either. But what do I know. I’ll resist finding a Hamilton or Toronto thread and ranting.
 
sixrings said:
It’s “weird” when random people show up in Mississauga threads just to be negative. I didn’t my randomly go on the Hamilton thread and crap on it.
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What? You may have mercy for Hamilton, but you show up in lots of Toronto threads with exceedingly negative takes on anything and everything.,

Kettle, meet the pot.

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But perhaps we can move on..... I mean when @ShonTron takes a pass on a Hazel pile-on....you know, it must be time to turn the page! LOL
 
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Cut and cover or (God forbid) TBM ?

It's not that long a drive, a TBM for that short a drive and the added station depth would cost a fortune.

I can get behind the tunnelled solution, but let's stay realistic.

- Paul
 
Northern Light said:
What? You may have mercy for Hamilton, but you show up in lots of Toronto threads with exceeding negatives takes on anything and everything.,

Kettle, meet the pot.

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But perhaps we can move on..... I mean when @ShonTron takes a pass on a Hazel pile-on....you know, it must be time to turn the page! LOL
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That’s a bunch of bs. I lived on Eglinton close to Bathurst. You and I got off on the wrong foot because I simply did not agree with expropriation in order to make more housing when there was plenty of other sites that could be built on. Every time we have a disagreement you think I’m purposely being a contrarian. That’s not the case. People simply think different. For someone who is so stats heavy and informed on issues I’m confused why this is your default position and you can’t accept I may br discussing in good faith. I respect what you bring here but that is categorically not true. I love Toronto. I spent my whole life in Toronto. My wife is from Mississauga. So we are out here. I do like it here and that is again not me being a contrarian.
 
crs1026 said:
Cut and cover or (God forbid) TBM ?

It's not that long a drive, a TBM for that short a drive and the added station depth would cost a fortune.

I can get behind the tunnelled solution, but let's stay realistic.

- Paul
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JJTheJetPln said:
Light Rail Transit (LRT) Extension Study Update - Report - Light Rail Transit (LRT) Extension Study Update .pdf

If you scroll down to page 9, it details the preferred underground option. This information may be outdated, but it appears to start just before you hit the Main/Elgin intersection if you're travelling North into downtown. The stops appear to be Charolais, Nanwood, and Downtown Brampton.

As I said, I believe this document is outdated, and I expect another document to be drafted once everything is finalized, if it hasn't already been finalized.
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From the 2023 report @JJTheJetPln found:

  1. Cut and cover construction is proposed between the tunnel portal (south of Elgin Drive) to Nanwood Drive. The Nanwood Station is proposed to be constructed via open cut construction partially within the existing street right-of-way. The remainder of the corridor north of Nanwood Station to Brampton GO station terminating at Church Street will constructed using Sequential Excavation Method (SEM). The opportunity for a second mining operation has been protected for at the Brampton GO station that could help fast track the work as required.
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crs1026 said:
Cut and cover or (God forbid) TBM ?

It's not that long a drive, a TBM for that short a drive and the added station depth would cost a fortune.

I can get behind the tunnelled solution, but let's stay realistic.

- Paul
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Cut and cover........never will happen and look at how Brampton wants to remove the TBM with out a hole to do so.. The tunneling is a waste of $2 billion and only buying votes and seats
 
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