[edm13]

So whether you decide to act depends on how out of it you can get? At the very least, don’t give the guy smoking a cigarette a ticket if you’re hardly willing to enforce the far more egregious acts happening on ETS

Also was downtown for the game yesterday. Walked past Churchill square, there was an entire crack party going on. Probably 15 people just smoking up, not a care in the world. Not necessarily passed out either. This was at 7pm. Then, once we left the restaurant around 9pm, the same group was still there. In addition to them, lots of people on the bench facing 100 street doing drugs also. Where is any enforcement? There must of been a show at the citadel last night as I parked in the library and noticed lots of older well dressed people. Very poor experience for these people who might not make it downtown often.

 

[MacLac]

It always seems as when DT is busier with events - the Degenerates show up in full force to put on a "show.," for those of us who are not degenerates. I have an idea, imagine a world where there is a group of civil service workers who carry guns and uphold our laws and fill our jails with said Degenerates? Jk, how about instead of OEG paying 40 cops to hang out and watch a free hockey game at Rogers - their boots are on the street doing what they are paid to do?

 

[trevorhayden]

This is connected. A lot of people use drugs in public in busy places because we have no good safe consumption sites. If they overdose, they want good samaritans who will help them. We need more safe consumption sites.

 

[thommyjo]

This is connected. A lot of people use drugs in public in busy places because we have no good safe consumption sites. If they overdose, they want good samaritans who will help them. We need more safe consumption sites.

SCS harm people. We need recovery resources. They’ve been debunked at this point.

There’s nothing safe about heroin.

Let’s get people help and not waste resources on SCS. They’re just prolonged MAID services at this point.

 

[Whatup]

This is connected. A lot of people use drugs in public in busy places because we have no good safe consumption sites. If they overdose, they want good samaritans who will help them. We need more safe consumption sites.

Canada needs tougher laws against consumption of Class A narcotics. Canada also needs judges and police to enforce the tougher laws. SCS and "Safe Supply" don't work - these types of naive and supposedly "progressive" policies have been a disaster.

 

[trevorhayden]

Bro. You can't just say something is debunked and think it is so. That's not how science works.

 

[thommyjo]

Bro. You can just say something is debunked and think it is so. That's not how science works.

Show me a city with a lower rate of death from drugs and improved social disorder after rolling out SCS.

Do they “prevent ODs and diseases spreading”?

Sure. Temporarily. But they don’t help people recover and have massive social implications on innocent residents nearby. They simply prolong the problems and at a huge expense to taxpayers. Giving people free heroin isn’t reducing harm, nor is it safe.

Where else can we supervise people struggling with addiction? Mental hospitals, recovery centres, prisons. Where they don’t perpetuate their cycles of addiction and crime and where they don’t hurt innocent people.

 

[Kosy123]

We've had this discussion so many times here. Main issue with focusing on a recovery-oriented approach without SCS is the fact that it ignores worsening drug level toxicity and the elephant in the room of relapse. Without a progressive movement towards narcotics that are "clean" without any xylazine, fentanyl and other toxic items that have been added to the drug supply, you're going to end up with people coming out of recovery and relapsing and overdosing and ending up dead due to low tolerance. SCS by itself isn't the sole solution, but without it and addressing the issue of a toxic drug supply, you're going to end up with street narcotics that are increasingly harmful towards users' brain chemistry that recovery becomes impossible or incredibly cost and time intensive after extended use.

Anyway, not sure if I'm the only one noticing but they're really upping the fare checks in both Valley and Capital/Metro line trains. It's weird seeing a large amount of enforcement so consistently but I know it helps with riders' perception.

 

[constance_chlore]

You could be right that alternative is worse, but at this point I feel the frustration with the incumbents is much greater than the fear of the alternatives.

Our neighbors to the south felt the same way last November. Now they're reaping the consequences.

 

[trevorhayden]

Lol there are more transit cops on trains now than passengers.

 

[policyenthusiast]

Bro. You can't just say something is debunked and think it is so. That's not how science works.

It's repeatedly debunked and re-bunked. Research communities really do not have a good answer.

The general academic consensus is that harm reduction to addicts works, with mortality rates decreasing compared to areas with no SCS.

Some articles:
Impact of safe consumption facilities on individual and community outcomes: A scoping review of the past decade of research, Dow-Fleisner et. al
Supervised Injection Facilities as Harm Reduction: A Systematic Review, Levengood et. al,
The North American opioid crisis: how effective are supervised consumption sites?, Kennedy et. al,

The problem with a fair amount of these types of studies is that they do not factor in some qualitative information. For example, studies claim that there isn't a demonstrable change in the rates of criminality for areas near SCS. Police working in these areas would likely tell you that they don't bother reporting minor property crimes, vagrancy, etc. in these areas. Ultimately, it's subjective, not academic. Sort of like saying one political party or another is better.

 

[jason403]

Maybe put people in jail who consume narcotics in public, instead of giving $25 fines, or no fines as is the current policy. Problem solved. It's not hard, the solution is there, and it's easy.

 

[The_Cat]

How long will they stay in jail?

 

[Whatup]

Bro. You can't just say something is debunked and think it is so. That's not how science works.

People in Asian countries with much longer experience with opioids then Canada must think "safe supply" is complete insanity. Ask yourself, why do so many Asian countries have such strict laws against opioid drugs -especially selling these drugs which in most Asian countries is punishable by death. Its because they know the damage these drugs can do to a society - I guess Canada needs to learn this lesson the hard way. "Safe Supply" is complete craziness and people who continue to promote this foolish policy are either delusional or blinded by ideology.

 

[Kosy123]

I'm from Southeast Asia, have experience growing up and living in rough neighbourhoods, and fully support and understand the implementation of safe supply within the context of opioid recovery. Opioids in Asia too don't have the sheer toxicity of the North American drug supply. Opioids in Asia are also controlled by organized syndicates so quality control actually exists in these drug distribution and production networks.