old boy
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The Islamists in Tehran don't have a particular monopoly on that sort of honesty. Actions always trump words.
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UtakataNoAnnex
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At the end of the day though, there is two nuclear armed countries bombing a non-nuclear armed country. I would be much, much more afraid of them...
...as one of them sits on our border and is looking to expand. Just saying.
...as one of them sits on our border and is looking to expand. Just saying.
Admiral Beez
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Iran and it’s ideological zealots have been pushed into a corner. They cannot win a conventional war against the US, and they’ve lost the more overt support of Russia and China, and they know that the ayatollah and his leadership are not long for this world. So, what’s their next move? Domestic terrorism seems the likely path, with every sleeper living in the US activated. I’d be putting extra protections on municipal water supplies for a start - a little bit of anthrax goes a long way.
Bin Laden showed the Muslim world that the US is ripe with soft targets - and if your own martyrdom is the end goal, you need fear no repercussions. Be prepared for the unexpected in the next six months.
Richard White
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Not entirely true.
Bin Laden crashed planes into buildings then 2 days later Article 5 was invoked.
If Iran did strike US bases or a Carrier Group, you can bet your ass Trump will turn Tehran into a smoking crater.
PL1
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Warring for peace... It never works as intended
Admiral Beez
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I shall repeat.....
The Iranian leadership knows they're dead men walking. Think of the quote attributed to Hitler in the Führerbunker in April 1945, as the Third Reich was collapsing "if the German people have failed, then they deserve to perish. I shall not shed a tear for them.” I would argue that is the Ayatollahs and Mullahs' view of the Persian people. The chant in Iran is death to America, not long live the Persian people. If any of Iran's enriched uranium survived, I would not be surprised if a dirty bomb was set up off at the next Super Bowl or some other large event. They don't care about any US strikes against Tehran. And besides, Trump isn't going to launch an ICBM at Tehran turn Israel and the region into a nuclear waste zone.
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evandyk
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The "current reign of terror" that is the Iranian government hasn't killed nearly as many people in the Middle East as either the American or Israeli governments have in the last 20 years. Or, of course, the previous Syrian government propped up by Russia.
Compared to last week, Iran is now somewhat further from having the ability to build a nuclear weapon. But it's a whole lot more likely to close the gap.
Compared to last week, Iran is now somewhat further from having the ability to build a nuclear weapon. But it's a whole lot more likely to close the gap.
kEiThZ
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This really depends on your accounting. I'm guessing you blame every casualty in Syria and Lebanon, for example, on Israel and the US, and not say Hezbollah. I guess Assad dropping barrels of chemical weapons (in cooperation with the Russians) on his own people is the fault of America and Israel?
I won't even get into the whole Infowar bit where these groups have taken over state agencies and don't allow any independent casualty reporting but their own.
I will grant you that Iraq was an absolutely horrendous mistake that probably also led to the loss of Afghanistan and the avoidance of dealing with Iran earlier.
evandyk
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No, I put most of those down to Assad and Russia, which is why they get their own shout out.
kEiThZ
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Unlike some here, the Islamists aren't pretending that foreign policy is based on morality. They are happy to exercise raw power in an unreserved manner while complaining when they face the same.
Let's go back to first principles here. Why the hell does Iran have a dispute with Israel, a country they don't border and whose opponents they don't share any ethnic ties to (with the exception of some Shia) and who until recently had never actually meddled with their government? Yet, their government hosts Holocaust denial conferences and openly professes a goal to wipe Israel from the map. This is the root of the current conflict. The Ayatollahs could stick to hanging women at home who don't meet their piety standards and there'd be no war.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I have to explain why letting this lot get nukes is a bad idea:
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kEiThZ
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If you remove all context, sure.
Also, the idea that we should now sympathize with Iran because of Trump's crazy rants is insane.
thettctransitfanatic
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kEiThZ
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Richard White
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Technically speaking the Korean War never actually ended.
T3G
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You don't have to sympathize with anyone, just the scores of innocent civilians who will be slaughtered by hateful old fucks who stir conflict.
As a man, it makes me sad that the world would probably be a better place without a lot of men.
As a man, it makes me sad that the world would probably be a better place without a lot of men.