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Out of Towner said:
Ok. They're able to move cars along the cable to safety because rappelling people to the ground in the previous video is different than rappelling people down onto ice. One caveat, and I've been on the Peak to Peak, the price of a lift ticket at Whistler isn't the same price as transit fare in Edmonton.
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Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
 
ChazYEG said:
Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
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So who are you? The office bully? I'm surprised that you have a job at the City with that kind of an attitude. Shouldn't you be working on a funding application to present to the Province and the Feds instead of spending time on social media?
 
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ChazYEG said:
Dude, at this point I am convinced you're just rage baiting. We should all just ignore you and let you fade into irrelevance. I know I am done. Doesn't matter how many times someone has a proper argument to counter your points, you always come back with a new strawman.
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Well as somebody who did decide to put somebody on the ignore list, it's not as effective as you think as others may wish to continue to engage and so you get all these messages of repsonses to the person you are ignoring.
 
Ignore features seem rather anti-opinion anyway... some of those doing the ignoring ought to be the ones being ignored IMHO... otherwise what's the use of an opinion-based website.
 
archited said:
Ignore features seem rather anti-opinion anyway... some of those doing the ignoring ought to be the ones being ignored IMHO... otherwise what's the use of an opinion-based website.
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I must have posted something that conflicted with a summary or report that somebody had a personal role in developing. Consider this though The gondola at Banff moves up to 640 people per hour and they charge seasonal rates that vary between $69 - $100 per adult to ride their gondola. There is no way that Edmonton transit riders would pay that fare for the Prairie Sky. So if one assumes that the operating costs of the Banff Gondola and the Prairie Sky Gondola are similar, then it means that the Banff Gondola is earning a pile of cash or the land lease rates are different. Banff lease rates are obviously higher - but that much?
 
It's a national park, they can charge whatever they want for the tourists to use the Banff Gondola. The money earned helps run the park and tourists will pay a lot of money to experience it. The gondola itself doesn't cost that much to operate.

Out of Towner, have you ever gone skiing or been on a gondola yourself? You are litteraly coming up with excuses, just for the sake of coming up with excuses. I have ridden the gondola used in Chongqing, China in 2005, it was built in 1987 it was completely safe and the cost was reasonable enough for locals to use daily.
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There is no public record of a major accident with the Chongqing Yangtze River Cableway since it opened in 1987. However, like any public transport system, it has had incidents, such as temporary closures for maintenance or technical issues, but these have not resulted in fatalities or severe injuries.
  • Official records show no major accidents: While there are no reports of catastrophic accidents, such as crashes or major failures, it's important to note that temporary closures can happen for various reasons, including safety checks and technical issues.
  • Safety record: Urban gondolas and cableways are generally considered very safe modes of public transport, with accident rates significantly lower than road vehicles and rail transport, according to the International Organization for Transportation by Rope (OITAF) and the Leitner Group.
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The gondola proposed for Edmonton would be tiny in comparison.
 
Out of Towner said:
I must have posted something that conflicted with a summary or report that somebody had a personal role in developing. Consider this though The gondola at Banff moves up to 640 people per hour and they charge seasonal rates that vary between $69 - $100 per adult to ride their gondola. There is no way that Edmonton transit riders would pay that fare for the Prairie Sky. So if one assumes that the operating costs of the Banff Gondola and the Prairie Sky Gondola are similar, then it means that the Banff Gondola is earning a pile of cash or the land lease rates are different. Banff lease rates are obviously higher - but that much?
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You got it right in your comment. The Banff gondola is owned and operated by Pursuit, an American company. The same company owns the Columbia Icefield Skywalk, where they charge ~$100 to walk on a bridge. They don't charge these fees because that's what it costs to make them viable; they charge that to make money hand over fist.
 
itom987 said:
It's a national park, they can charge whatever they want for the tourists to use the Banff Gondola. The money earned helps run the park and tourists will pay a lot of money to experience it. The gondola itself doesn't cost that much to operate.

Out of Towner, have you ever gone skiing or been on a gondola yourself? You are litteraly coming up with excuses, just for the sake of coming up with excuses. I have ridden the gondola used in Chongqing, China in 2005, it was built in 1987 it was completely safe and the cost was reasonable enough for locals to use daily.
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There is no public record of a major accident with the Chongqing Yangtze River Cableway since it opened in 1987. However, like any public transport system, it has had incidents, such as temporary closures for maintenance or technical issues, but these have not resulted in fatalities or severe injuries.
  • Official records show no major accidents: While there are no reports of catastrophic accidents, such as crashes or major failures, it's important to note that temporary closures can happen for various reasons, including safety checks and technical issues.
  • Safety record: Urban gondolas and cableways are generally considered very safe modes of public transport, with accident rates significantly lower than road vehicles and rail transport, according to the International Organization for Transportation by Rope (OITAF) and the Leitner Group.
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The gondola proposed for Edmonton would be tiny in comparison.
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Yes I do ski to answer your question. Have skied at most of the major resorts in western Canada and western States. Started on rope tows. Before the gondola at Sunshine was there and the ski out was the road up there. And I've been on the Sunshine gondola on a windy day when it quit for 20 minutes too. If you've skied very often, then at one time or another you should have seen maintenance personal on a pole doing maintenance to prevent an accident. Last winter there was a high profile incident at Winter Park and incidents of gondola cabins falling after detaching from the cable have been reported elsewhere. So if some of you want to own the narrative that nothing has ever happened and that safety protocols are nonsense, then that's just wrong.
 
scyeg said:
You got it right in your comment. The Banff gondola is owned and operated by Pursuit, an American company. The same company owns the Columbia Icefield Skywalk, where they charge ~$100 to walk on a bridge. They don't charge these fees because that's what it costs to make them viable; they charge that to make money hand over fist.
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I don't recall paying anywhere near that much, but I then I last went years ago. Also the Skywalk is newer infrastructure, which is not cheap or easy to develop in a national park. The gondola's have been around for a long time, so while there is maintenance and upgrades, the infrastructure was developed when it was much cheaper and easier to do so.

While not as daunting as building in a national park, there are also significant environmental and other issues for building new infrastructure in the River Valley and in the area by the power plant.
 
David A said:
I don't recall paying anywhere near that much, but I then I last went years ago. Also the Skywalk is newer infrastructure, which is not cheap or easy to develop in a national park. The gondola's have been around for a long time, so while there is maintenance and upgrades, the infrastructure was developed when it was much cheaper and easier to do so.

While not as daunting as building in a national park, there are also significant environmental and other issues for building new infrastructure in the River Valley and in the area by the power plant.
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The North Saskatchewan River is designated as a Canadian Heritage River which presumably makes, as you suggest, development more daunting but the designation doesn't preclude development. The CHRS web site states this as two of its principles. "Rivers in the system are designated and managed to meet guidelines set out by the Canadian Heritage Rivers Board. The Canadian Heritage Rivers System values a diversity of knowledge systems." "The Canadian Heritage Rivers System celebrates select rivers as Canadian Heritage Rivers. Designation has no legislative authority; jurisdictions and land owners retain their management authority and responsibilities."

PS: If you want to go up the Banff gondola it's an off season rate right now but if you went this past summer - $100 bucks.
 
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