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Have you been paying attention about the new Acela sets that Amtrak got?
Not particularly. Looks like the first trainsets entered service a few months ago, and they were designed in Europe by Alstom and built in northern New York. Sounds reasonable - it will be interesting to see how they stand up - though the weather conditions along the New England Atlantic coast are a LOT milder than Timmins.

The OC Transpo Talents seem to be okay.
That 3 trainsets that were designed and built in Europe by (now) Alstom? All retired a decade ago aren't they. Where did the units go to after?
 
How do you manage food if you aren’t driving in unless you’re somewhere like grand Bend. everywhere I’ve seen you’re gonna need a car to get around for errands etc
The assumption is that you either have a vehicle at the cottage or someone staying longterm has already driven up. Those are the folks who will pick you up at the ONR station.
 
Not particularly. Looks like the first trainsets entered service a few months ago, and they were designed in Europe by Alstom and built in northern New York. Sounds reasonable - it will be interesting to see how they stand up - though the weather conditions along the New England Atlantic coast are a LOT milder than Timmins.
It has been a circus. It took them 5 years to enter service after being delivered because they had non-stop problems during testing, including apparently one time where some windows just randomly shattered.
 
The issue with Uber in smaller places is that if there isn’t demand all day you’d have issues finding drivers.

How do you manage food if you aren’t driving in unless you’re somewhere like grand Bend. everywhere I’ve seen you’re gonna need a car to get around for errands etc
The Internet says 'yes' but cautions about availability depending on season, time, etc.

It used to be fairly common for 'mom and the kids' to spend the summer at the cottage and hubby going up on the weekends. I don't know how common it is now. I know businesses have a harder time getting seasonal highschool/uni/college aged summer employees.
 
The issue with Uber in smaller places is that if there isn’t demand all day you’d have issues finding drivers.

How do you manage food if you aren’t driving in unless you’re somewhere like grand Bend. everywhere I’ve seen you’re gonna need a car to get around for errands etc
In high seasons, wouldn't any locals like to make some extra bucks by doing Uber or Instacart? One of the benefits of these share services is that you don't need to maintain dedicated resources, and only provide the services when there are needs...
 
A little factchecking - Google tells me that Hunstville already has three taxi services, Gravenhurst has three, and Bracebridge has one of Gravenhurst's and two of its own.

I won't digress into rideshare vs taxi, but the point is... if the market has any base to it, some service already exists, at least in skeleton form.

The issues would then be
- Price - how much does it cost to reach the cottage from the train
- Coverage - there are many back lakes, not clear to me how far taxis are permitted or willing to roam from these town
- Availability - how many taxi's are willing to be on the road at that time of day, and do they already have customers eg school kids
- Elasticity - how much would the potential of train passengers for a four day a week, one train each way ridership encourage communities to add taxi licenses, or to encourage people to become part time or full time rideshare drivers

All of this says to me, if someone is determined to make this trip, and pay whatever is charged, they probably already have that option. But achieving a lineup of taxi's at the station waiting for the train to arrive seems unrealistic. And if someone is at the cottage hoping to take the train to the city, they need to book in advance and expect pickup well before train time. And I see little likelihood of communities spending tax dollars on this kind of travel - so unless a community is considering a regional demand or minibus service for other purposes, it won't be happening just to add train connectivity.

- Paul

PS - my own boyhood cottage experience included riding a Penetang-Midland Flxible Clipper that made regular trips between those points, child's fare 5 cents. I do wonder if local bus service might return in some form to cottage country, at least to get people into town for shopping trips etc. and maybe to help parents relieve kids' boredom.
 
I really think that the number of cottagers that will take the train is negligible or non existent. Most of the time it makes no sense. Maybe for a few mid-season weekends it could work.

Imo it will be far more beneficial for permanent residents and perhaps people visiting other people's cottages.
 
I’m surprised no one saw an announcement - but I’m told there are preparations going on at the TMC to hold a presser event featuring the new trainset. Hopefully someone has more details.

- Paul
 
I’m surprised no one saw an announcement - but I’m told there are preparations going on at the TMC to hold a presser event featuring the new trainset. Hopefully someone has more details.

- Paul

It starts at 12pm so it hasn't happened yet.

It'll be livestream on YouTube.
 
A little factchecking - Google tells me that Hunstville already has three taxi services, Gravenhurst has three, and Bracebridge has one of Gravenhurst's and two of its own.

I won't digress into rideshare vs taxi, but the point is... if the market has any base to it, some service already exists, at least in skeleton form.

The issues would then be
- Price - how much does it cost to reach the cottage from the train
- Coverage - there are many back lakes, not clear to me how far taxis are permitted or willing to roam from these town
- Availability - how many taxi's are willing to be on the road at that time of day, and do they already have customers eg school kids
- Elasticity - how much would the potential of train passengers for a four day a week, one train each way ridership encourage communities to add taxi licenses, or to encourage people to become part time or full time rideshare drivers

All of this says to me, if someone is determined to make this trip, and pay whatever is charged, they probably already have that option. But achieving a lineup of taxi's at the station waiting for the train to arrive seems unrealistic. And if someone is at the cottage hoping to take the train to the city, they need to book in advance and expect pickup well before train time. And I see little likelihood of communities spending tax dollars on this kind of travel - so unless a community is considering a regional demand or minibus service for other purposes, it won't be happening just to add train connectivity.

- Paul

PS - my own boyhood cottage experience included riding a Penetang-Midland Flxible Clipper that made regular trips between those points, child's fare 5 cents. I do wonder if local bus service might return in some form to cottage country, at least to get people into town for shopping trips etc. and maybe to help parents relieve kids' boredom.
At least in gravenhurst i know for the off season theres rarely more than 1 driver everyday at least from a single taxi service. Doubt the winter ridership would be enough to entice more taxi drivers. Summer is likely a different story but sucks for the people living there year round, especially in nearby smaller towns
 
It has been a circus. It took them 5 years to enter service after being delivered because they had non-stop problems during testing, including apparently one time where some windows just randomly shattered.
As far as I understand it, they were planned to enter service in 2022, and entered in 2025, 3 years late. Problematic, sure - but if they got the bugs out, unlike VIA and ONR with the Siemens equipment, then so be it. These were the first vehicles of this type to roll of that assembly line. We often see such problems early in a program. The VIA/ONR equipment has been used elsewhere for years - off the same assembly line.
 
A little factchecking - Google tells me that Hunstville already has three taxi services, Gravenhurst has three, and Bracebridge has one of Gravenhurst's and two of its own.

I won't digress into rideshare vs taxi, but the point is... if the market has any base to it, some service already exists, at least in skeleton form.

The issues would then be
- Price - how much does it cost to reach the cottage from the train
- Coverage - there are many back lakes, not clear to me how far taxis are permitted or willing to roam from these town
- Availability - how many taxi's are willing to be on the road at that time of day, and do they already have customers eg school kids
- Elasticity - how much would the potential of train passengers for a four day a week, one train each way ridership encourage communities to add taxi licenses, or to encourage people to become part time or full time rideshare drivers

All of this says to me, if someone is determined to make this trip, and pay whatever is charged, they probably already have that option. But achieving a lineup of taxi's at the station waiting for the train to arrive seems unrealistic. And if someone is at the cottage hoping to take the train to the city, they need to book in advance and expect pickup well before train time. And I see little likelihood of communities spending tax dollars on this kind of travel - so unless a community is considering a regional demand or minibus service for other purposes, it won't be happening just to add train connectivity.

- Paul

PS - my own boyhood cottage experience included riding a Penetang-Midland Flxible Clipper that made regular trips between those points, child's fare 5 cents. I do wonder if local bus service might return in some form to cottage country, at least to get people into town for shopping trips etc. and maybe to help parents relieve kids' boredom.
I agree. If speaking in terms of "community", as in municipal government, I highly doubt the tax base would justify it. The District barely has a Hwy 11 corridor service, during the day. If 'community' means entrepreneurial, I suppose people will be willing to do what they think they can make money at.

A problem with any form of municipal transit; minibus or whatever, to serve cottagers, is they won't be going down backroads and certainly not private cottage roads. They would service the villages at best, which is only useful if you live in said village.

One area that may take advantage might be the resorts (Taboo, Deerhurst and the various 'houses' scattered throughout Muskoka). They might see some advantage of a package deal or at least offer a shuttle service.

In high seasons, wouldn't any locals like to make some extra bucks by doing Uber or Instacart? One of the benefits of these share services is that you don't need to maintain dedicated resources, and only provide the services when there are needs...
I don't know the economics of Uber, but one problem with services like Instacart is the majority of restaurants (certainly all of the fast food chains) are in the three main Muskoka towns. Nobody is going to order Harvey's from Bracebridge and have it delivered to Footes Bay. If nothing else, it would be stone cold.
 

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