Chowda7
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Probably doesn't impact Alberta directly much now but more port capacity in Canada is positive
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InfrastructureEnthusiast
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darwink
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Hard without scale. If a Canadian built BYD could be exported to Europe and Mexico with low tariffs, perhaps?
CalgaryTiger
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And if we could import vehicles made in Europe, you can fill the boats going back and forth.
There's talk of the feds wanting some car manufacturing as part of a Submarine deal with Germany or South Korea too.
Feels like another couple grand bargains are on the way.
trtcttc
Senior Member
Our car market is too small. If they can't export to the US, our auto industry is too big for our domestic demand. There is really no alternative. We are not cost competitive with Asia/South America. Europe has large domestic production. The only hope is really for relations to get better with the US, and for the narrative to form that tariffs make cars more expensive, which it absolutely does. US is at 4.4% unemployment. They don't have thousands of people itching to build a bunch more cars.
trtcttc
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Honestly, I'd much rather have some technology transfer and domestic manufacturing of some parts of the submarines instead of auto jobs.
darwink
Senior Member
Those are on the offing too. It is a large deal, a full offset is hard. We can produce the steel for the South Korean subs today. Producing the steel for the German subs--not so much. The auto pitch was an ask for 'think more about offsets, beyond what you have right now'.
Mountain Man
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Yeah good point, the US will block anything while shithead is in power, and there is little incentive for Latin America to import Canadian made cars when they could build them cheaper there.
Chowda7
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China and Canada announce tariffs relief after a high-stakes meeting
Canola oil and electric cars are at the centre of the deal agreed by Mark Carney and Xi Jinping after years of strained ties.
www.bbc.com
trtcttc
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The deal is good given the circumstances. Pretty limited imports of Chinese EVs that I'm not even sure will hit those numbers, and we don't really make any EVs domestically.China and Canada announce tariffs relief after a high-stakes meeting
Canola oil and electric cars are at the centre of the deal agreed by Mark Carney and Xi Jinping after years of strained ties.
If we really believe long term that EVs will fully replace gas cars, gatekeeping Chinese cars isn't a permanent solution, and we'd need to compete with it sooner or later.
InfrastructureEnthusiast
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It'll be interesting to see what brands and models are available as part of the 49,000. If they're priced fairly I don't think there will be a sales problem.
Eco-hipsters are done with Tesla now anyways. If they can stick it to Trump and friends AND big oil all in one purchase, the inventory will never make it east of BC.
InfrastructureEnthusiast
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Shipbuilding is the sort of thing I think the TFW program should *actually* be used for, not padding profit margins for Tims owners.
Get the yards built here, if the workforce is majority Korean at first, so be it. Whatever it takes to bootstrap the industry. Active shipyards will counts as 'cards' in future trade negotiations, and strategically they're much safer in north america than on Chinas doorstep.
darwink
Senior Member
If it wouldn't delay things by 10 years, sure. But having subs faster is important. Australia built a domestic sub industry, it was very very expensive.
InfrastructureEnthusiast
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There doesn't need to be a delay if the first few are made in Korea while the Canada yards are setup. Big picture it's in Hanwha's interests to have some of their production and human capital away from the danger zone anyways.
zzkwilliamcanada
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i only care about if they could give us a direct flight from YYC to China .. pls
