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keep forgetting to create a thread for this because I can't remember the architect or contractor but calling woods new water plants construction is well underway with reclamation work going on behind the existing plant and case-ons being drilled
 
Here’s the link to the Engage Collingwood page for the project. The project is estimated to cost $270M and complete in 2028. Plant capacity will be almost double after the expansion (pumping capacity going from 32k to 59k m3/day). Contractor is Kenaidan Contracting Ltd and Ontario is kicking in $70M for the project.
 
ericmacm said:
Here’s the link to the Engage Collingwood page for the project. The project is estimated to cost $270M and complete in 2028. Plant capacity will be almost double after the expansion (pumping capacity going from 32k to 59k m3/day). Contractor is Kenaidan Contracting Ltd and Ontario is kicking in $70M for the project.
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Thank you very much sir Love that no matter what everybody on this site always has the ability to find the info they need always impresses me
 
Looks like majority of the land reclamation is complete with case on drills working around the perimeter not really any good spots to get pictures yet when I can will definitely get some 😁
 
Shoring should be complete here by the end of the month was by there today and lots going on just no good spot to get pictures as the majority of the work is going on by the waterfront
 
The town of Collingwood doesn't just service the town itself It also exports water to Hamilton as well as being interlinked with the town of the Blue mountains they also had to add quite a bit of land reclamation on the back side and I believe that probably did not help the budget
 
innsertnamehere said:
how in the world is this costing a quarter billion dollars to service a municipality of 25,000 people?
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This plant doesn’t just service Collingwood - the Collingwood DWS services New Tecumseth, The Blue Mountains, Essa, and Clearview. All are experiencing growth so I think this expansion is pretty well justified.
 
ericmacm said:
This plant doesn’t just service Collingwood - the Collingwood DWS services New Tecumseth, The Blue Mountains, Essa, and Clearview. All are experiencing growth so I think this expansion is pretty well justified.
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Ok, this makes more sense. Does the project involve a lot of expanded piping as well as the treatment plant itself? Because even with the larger service area it still seems... expensive for a single utility building. I also understand this thing is way, way over budget.. I assume there has been some major scope creep?
 
It is indeed way over what Collingwood initially estimated.

The earliest instance of an estimate I can find is $65M in 2019/2020. The cost of the WTP then grew to approximately $120M during the design phase, but these cost increases were due to scope changes, including expanding capacity of the plant (they were aiming for an “as much as possible” approach, as the servicing needs of the area were growing faster than originally anticipated), upgrading the shorewall barriers, replacing more of the internal systems, and building in redundancies/capacity for avoiding full WTP shutdowns during repairs and for future expansion, as this is not going to be the final buildout of the plant. They are planning for a second phase in the future that will double capacity once again. I would argue that this cost increase actually makes sense since the WTP design itself changed significantly.

The second cost increase came in when the project went to tender, the lowest bid came in at $270M, over double their original cost estimate. It’s really hard to say why exactly the cost estimates and the lowest bid were so far off from each other. The official reasoning from the town is that it can be chalked up to the typical “supply chain shortages and construction cost inflation” issue. My guess is that there is probably an element of this here combined with the way the cost estimates were done in the first place. It is not uncommon for costs to escalate significantly if the initial cost estimates are taken at an early design milestone.
 
ericmacm said:
It is indeed way over what Collingwood initially estimated.

The earliest instance of an estimate I can find is $65M in 2019/2020. The cost of the WTP then grew to approximately $120M during the design phase, but these cost increases were due to scope changes, including expanding capacity of the plant (they were aiming for an “as much as possible” approach, as the servicing needs of the area were growing faster than originally anticipated), upgrading the shorewall barriers, replacing more of the internal systems, and building in redundancies/capacity for avoiding full WTP shutdowns during repairs and for future expansion, as this is not going to be the final buildout of the plant. They are planning for a second phase in the future that will double capacity once again. I would argue that this cost increase actually makes sense since the WTP design itself changed significantly.

The second cost increase came in when the project went to tender, the lowest bid came in at $270M, over double their original cost estimate. It’s really hard to say why exactly the cost estimates and the lowest bid were so far off from each other. The official reasoning from the town is that it can be chalked up to the typical “supply chain shortages and construction cost inflation” issue. My guess is that there is probably an element of this here combined with the way the cost estimates were done in the first place. It is not uncommon for costs to escalate significantly if the initial cost estimates are taken at an early design milestone.
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With the town of Collingwood I imagine they probably had to get a study on their study and there's probably a lawsuit mixed in there somewhere as well
 
Was reading an article that they are currently 8 months behind on this project as a result of the ground being a lot harder than they thought it was looks like there is still another 2 months of case on drilling left
 
So with everything on the new water treatment plant we also have multiple different locations around Collingwood where force mains are being upgraded. There is also road upgrades that are being done simultaneously such as a new bridge over the black creek and three roundabouts up mountain road rather than making a bunch of different drop points I was going to merge these all into one thread not sure if this is okay if somebody could let me know
 
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