[wopchop]

Yes but when their athletes are part of an immigration crackdown it will not reflect well on them.

Most certainly not, but I don't expect ICE will be rounding up athletes or team members. Fans? Sure.
But I still expect them to follow the money. Especially for this World Cup, which has ludicrous revenues.

 

[Richard White]

Most certainly not, but I don't expect ICE will be rounding up athletes or team members. Fans? Sure.
But I still expect them to follow the money. Especially for this World Cup, which has ludicrous revenues.

FIFA is notorious for keeping politics out of the matches.

Having said that, if ICE starts rounding up people who came to watch the games or hounding the players/teams it wlll tarninsh their repuation. If Trump invokes the Insurrection Act or tries to start WW3, I can see them pulling games from the US for safety reasons.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Occupy Democrats

BREAKING: America’s top Catholic Leaders TORCH Trump’s lack of a “moral foundation.” When the highest-ranking Catholic leaders in the United States return from the Vatican and issue an unprecedented...

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BREAKING: America’s top Catholic Leaders TORCH Trump’s lack of a “moral foundation.”

When the highest-ranking Catholic leaders in the United States return from the Vatican and issue an unprecedented warning that America’s moral compass is breaking — one posted prominently on the Vatican’s own website — you know something has gone seriously wrong.

This week, three of the most powerful figures in the U.S. Catholic Church — Cardinals Blase Cupich of Chicago, Robert McElroy of Washington DC, and Joseph Tobin of Newark — released a blistering statement declaring that the “moral foundation” of U.S. policy is in jeopardy. They didn’t name Donald Trump. They didn’t have to.

After consultations with Pope Leo XIV himself, the cardinals condemned a political climate poisoned by “polarization, partisanship, and narrow economic and social interests,” warning that American policy has drifted dangerously far from human dignity, peace, and moral restraint.

The timing was not subtle.

Their statement landed the same day Trump’s stunning message to Norway’s prime minister surfaced—demanding “complete and total control of Greenland” and whining that he no longer felt obligated to “think purely of Peace” because he didn’t get a Nobel Prize. Yes, really.

The cardinals pointed pointedly to crises in Venezuela, Ukraine, and Greenland, stressing that military force must be a last resort, not a routine political tool. That message hits especially hard after Trump bragged to The New York Times that “my morality”—not the Constitution or the law—was the only thing restraining his power.

The Church also took a direct shot at Trump’s scorched-earth foreign policy, criticizing wealthy nations for slashing humanitarian aid. One of Trump’s first acts in office was dismantling USAID—cheered on by Elon Musk and signed off by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a supposed Catholic now presiding over the agency’s hollowed-out remains.

The rebuke doesn’t stop there.

The statement comes amid growing Catholic outrage over Trump’s immigration crackdowns, including ICE raids so extreme that some dioceses have excused parishioners from Sunday Mass to avoid arrest. Earlier this month, Catholic media called Vice President JD Vance’s description of slain Minnesota mom Renee Nicole Good as a “domestic terrorist” a “moral stain.”

That wasn’t politics. That was judgment.

The Cardinals made clear they are done whispering from the sidelines. They pledged to “preach, teach, and advocate” in the months ahead—just as the nation heads toward high-stakes midterms.

In other words, the Church is entering the fight.

When even the Vatican is warning that America’s moral foundation is cracking, maybe—just maybe—the problem isn’t “wokeness.” It’s Trump.

 

[lenaitch]

Interrupting a church service to protest is probably rude, maybe even a tad disrespectful...but it's most certainly isn't illegal. Get a life, Department of Snowflake "Justice"!

It is up here. Criminal Code Section 176.

Obstructing or violence to or arrest of officiating clergyman

• 176 (1) Every person is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who
  • (a) by threats or force, unlawfully obstructs or prevents or endeavours to obstruct or prevent an officiant from celebrating a religious or spiritual service or performing any other function in connection with their calling, or
  • (b) knowing that an officiant is about to perform, is on their way to perform or is returning from the performance of any of the duties or functions mentioned in paragraph (a)
    • (i) assaults or offers any violence to them, or
    • (ii) arrests them on a civil process, or under the pretence of executing a civil process.
• Marginal noteisturbing religious worship or certain meetings
  (2) Every one who wilfully disturbs or interrupts an assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
• Marginal note:Idem
  (3) Every one who, at or near a meeting referred to in subsection (2), wilfully does anything that disturbs the order or solemnity of the meeting is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

I've never heard of a charge being laid' although we came close once. The call was to a Pentecostal service when a person yelling and acting out (he was drunk). My first thought was 'how could they tell the difference?'

 

[PinkLucy]

To be quite honest with you, I am surprised any matches are being held in the US.

As I said before, it screams 1936 Berlin Olympics and I fully expect Trump to send ICE to ensure the athletes leave. I also expect ICE to be positioned outside the venues in the name of "ensuring nobody overstays their VISA".

If I was FIFA I would pull all matches out of the US and focus solely on the US and Canada. It would anger Trump to no end but it is safer for the athletes.

This may go down as a black mark against FIFA and be remembered quite well for what actions they did not take.

I can tell you from a very good source that there were discussions about moving games to Canada. However, we don't have the capacity to host so at the time (a few months back), it was decided to remain with the original plans.

 

[a2z]

FIFA is notorious for keeping politics out of the matches.

Having said that, if ICE starts rounding up people who came to watch the games or hounding the players/teams it wlll tarninsh their repuation. If Trump invokes the Insurrection Act or tries to start WW3, I can see them pulling games from the US for safety reasons.

There might be a chance that some players might get rejected (Iran?), even if I wouldn't say it is likely - while way less profile, recently the US denied entry to 14 Ethiopian U20 running athletes (out of 18). Albeit one counterargument during the Club World Cup was an U-turn for Ayrton Costa (visa was initially rejected given criminal complaint in Argentina; but then was given a 26-day special visa)

I definitely worry about ICE hunting fans outside the grounds (one country/team in particular to highlight would be Haiti) - Latino fans already had such fears of this, whether in the MLS, or when Mexico played some of their "home" games in the US last year.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

...what a load of hooey. No violence took place here.

It is up here. Criminal Code Section 176.

I've never heard of a charge being laid' although we came close once. The call was to a Pentecostal service when a person yelling and acting out (he was drunk). My first thought was 'how could they tell the difference?'

So they don't really have anything here...as this was an attendant asking the preacher to give account within the context of their religion, I believe. Judgement begins at the house of the Lord and all that...I know this, because I was one of them at some point in my unfortunate history. Thusly, the DOJ can go and stuff themselves here.

Edited for retraction, as the was not relative to the US criminal code.

 

[picard102]

Who would have thought the Catholic Church would be the voice of reason.

 

[lenaitch]

...what a load of hooey. No violence took place here.

So they don't really have anything here...as this was an attendant asking the preacher to give account within the context of their religion, I believe. Judgement begins at the house of the Lord and all that...I know this, because I was one of them at some point in my unfortunate history. Thusly, the DOJ can go and stuff themselves here.

Spin, interpret or massage as you see fit, but my post was in response to the claim that interrupting or interfering was not an offence, and I merely pointed out that in Canada, it is. I have no clue whether it is in the US or a state.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

^You can spin, interpret my massage all you want...I'm pretty sure I'd appreciate whatever you come up with.

Edit: More seriously though, I apologize here...as I assumed you where posting that code from State side. A full retraction is in order. /bows

 

[EBT]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013494726138151139

Oh boy. Buckle up!

 

[EBT]

Trump posted private text message with Macron tonight:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013493245360112057

Translation:

Macron to Trump:

We destroyed Syria together.
We can bomb Iran together.
Please don't take Greenland.

"Weak men create hard times"

I am afraid we are headed for some very hard times. There doesn't seem to be any leader in the West with the courage to stand up to Trump. There are only 4 leaders that Trump respects and listens to. Netanyahu, Putin, Xi, and Kim Jong Un

 

[lenaitch]

^You can spin, interpret my massage all you want...I'm pretty sure I'd appreciate whatever you come up with.

Edit: More seriously though, I apologize here...as I assumed you where posting that code from State side. A full retraction is in order. /bows

All good. We have to keep in mind that, unlike here, criminal law in the US is state-based (murder in Oregon will be a different offence than Kentucky). Their federal government can only pass laws in areas their Constitution says it can.

 

[Cobra]

The US will be going for Alberta first - regardless of that referendum results, they'll make a power move there (threats, recognition of Alberta sovereignty or something else completely crazy).

 

[Mihairokov]

On the wake of the leaked Macron messages, Macron has called for increased Chinese investment in EU to replace American investment.

Denmark is also selling all US treasuries tied to its national pension fund. EU holds 40% of foreign ownership of US treasuries

The US will be going for Alberta first - regardless of that referendum results, they'll make a power move there (threats, recognition of Alberta sovereignty or something else completely crazy).

I thought about this idea last night (US pushes for Alberta referendum, calls loss fake, sends in military to protect what should be an "Independent Alberta) but that sort of goes along with the old American playbook of plausible deniability. At this point I think they would just send the military in and skip all of those steps. Why not?

At this point as much as we joke about it we might be entering the final days of Canada not having to defend itself militarily against the US. Best of luck all.