Chaplinurbex
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Obviously not?
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urbanclient
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That would make too much sense. That wouldn't happen in our bizarro world. Pretty sure there is already precedent for a condo to not incorporate a pre-existing entrance.
A 6264
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College Park?
APTA-2048
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Some of the tile work on the Eglinton line looks nice like at Cedarvale and Science Centre. Incorporated well into a minimalist design. Some stations could use more coloured accents though, like Mount Dennis.
crs1026
Superstar
Oh, yes, that's coming
See for instance 1779 Bayview (This may not be the latest version of the proposal)
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urbanclient
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I wasn't clear before: I meant for Line 5 Eglinton. EDIT: @crs1026 found a counter-example. I vaguely recall a recent render for a condo with more seamless transit integration than 1779 Bayview, but I forgot which city, much less which line.
Even the counter-example above is evidence of poor future-proofing. There was no provision for future TODs built above those gaudy station entrances.
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transitthinker
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For anyone looking to ride the first scheduled trains from Kennedy or Mount Dennis on Sunday, where would the best places to line up being? Both stations have so many entrances, and without any actual event I'm curious to see how people organize themselves
adys123
Active Member
The provisions for overbuild were built into the structural components on the station. It would be inaccurate to claim that there were "no provisions" for TOD, when the station is designed to support additional load (no matter if you disagree with the way it was implemented).
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
With the "soft" opening, does that mean 10 minute service using 3 or 2 car trains, in the non-rush hour?
eglinton1661
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There are 3-5 accounts on here that are utterly poisoning the discourse. The Line 6 thread has been unreadable for its unrelenting nihilism and negativity for some time now. Line 5 hasn't opened, and it's already happening here too.
Is Line 5 imperfect? Of course. Lots of criticism is merited. But there is a pocket of users on here that are assailing the line for seemingly no reason except to 1) provoke? rage bait? or 2) to make anyone that expresses even a modicum of excitement feel like shit.
Enough already! Do you know how awful you have to be to make the Reddit threads seem fair and balanced? Have some self restraint, or mods: please step in more aggressively, or the rest of us should find somewhere else to talk about this project.
Is Line 5 imperfect? Of course. Lots of criticism is merited. But there is a pocket of users on here that are assailing the line for seemingly no reason except to 1) provoke? rage bait? or 2) to make anyone that expresses even a modicum of excitement feel like shit.
Enough already! Do you know how awful you have to be to make the Reddit threads seem fair and balanced? Have some self restraint, or mods: please step in more aggressively, or the rest of us should find somewhere else to talk about this project.
urbanclient
Active Member
Yes you're right to correct me there. I subjectively do not agree with how these (what I believe to be) overly-large entrances were built. For example, I don't think this Chaplin entrance can support much weight of even a mid-rise. The "future-proofing" I was thinking of, was to have smaller entrances that can be isolated, such that they interfere less with future TOD construction (I say that with the benefit of hindsight).
Is this poisoning the discourse? I can't directly speak for others, but I am hoping people have reasonable expectations come Sunday, and expect gradual improvements after. If you're expecting an echo chamber of plaudits and hand-waving, perhaps you can ignore or wait for better news.
From a hypothetical Line 5 hater's perspective, people posting niceties like "I can't wait for Sunday, I am so excited" would be utterly repulsive, no? Even then, I am sure most here don't think in black-and-white like that. So if you find criticism to be repulsive, that's a you problem.
You glean new knowledge from disagreement, not head-nodding and cheerleading. Hyping it up too much just leads to disappointment. And guess what, I am very excited for Sunday...
I've made posts explaining how the numbers thrown around yesterday's board meeting & announcement don't add up. I'm sure 99% of people don't want to see more math minutiae, but I could give the full calculations. The underground section should be faster than reported, and the surface section should be slower. And nonetheless, I could still be wrong. That's not "assailing the line for no reason".
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yurt2022
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There needs to be more negativity around this line so the TTC/City can address the actual problems on both lines: The dumb streetcar operating procedures that have been implemented.
Thankfully the TTC won't be the operator for the Ontario Line...
thettctransitfanatic
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TTC just updated the www.ttc.ca/line5 page to include more information. It also posted a video of Line 5 to it's Instagram. TTC put on the Line 5 page that it feels the situation around Line 5 is ''different'' from the opening of Line 6 as it's rationale for why there won't be an opening ceremony for Line 5 on Sunday, or until the phased opening is finished.
''We are taking a different approach to the opening of Line 5. With LRT service beginning immediately, our priority is ensuring a smooth and reliable start for customers and staff. While we hosted a public celebration for Line 6 due to the nature and timing of that launch, the circumstances surrounding the opening of Line 5 are different, and our focus is on operational readiness.
That said, we are excited to welcome riders onto the new line and will continue to highlight the benefits of Line 5 through ongoing communications and customer focused activities''.
It also put this, which people should definitely test with stopwatches on Sunday:
''A Line 5 Eglinton LRT trip between Mount Dennis and Kennedy stations will take approximately 52 to 54 minutes''.
''We are taking a different approach to the opening of Line 5. With LRT service beginning immediately, our priority is ensuring a smooth and reliable start for customers and staff. While we hosted a public celebration for Line 6 due to the nature and timing of that launch, the circumstances surrounding the opening of Line 5 are different, and our focus is on operational readiness.
That said, we are excited to welcome riders onto the new line and will continue to highlight the benefits of Line 5 through ongoing communications and customer focused activities''.
It also put this, which people should definitely test with stopwatches on Sunday:
''A Line 5 Eglinton LRT trip between Mount Dennis and Kennedy stations will take approximately 52 to 54 minutes''.
Kelson
New Member
I I'm really excited for the crosstown and will be riding it Sunday, but as this line has been complete for like 2 years and there is no construction updates, I mostly come here for the cynicism and negativity to sooth myself until the line opens.
yurt2022
New Member
They know its going to be a disaster upon opening, they're trying to be muted about it so much that many people probably wont even be aware that Line 5 has opened when they wait for their usual 34 bus.
Also, I don't understand the reason for the 60 km/h cap in the tunnelled section. Trains have been testing underground for probably 5 years now. How much longer of a "testing" period is needed?
We could easily reach March and the TTC doesn't raise the tunnel cap because of "safety" issues.
The TTC was okay with running Line 3 with virtually no track inspections/maintenance for decades, and now they suddenly overcorrect too hard by putting RSZs on Line 1/2 because tracks are millimetres out of spec...