nfitz
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A good reminder! And a good chance to check out the new North Market building, and get some good cheese.
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Mihairokov
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Oh! I will definitely swing by tonight or tomorrow and say hi.
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
I will be dropping in at 5pm tomorrow.
kotsy
Senior Member
Important question: is there a limit to how many cookies & coffees you can help yourself too?
Mihairokov
Senior Member
No, but if someone from Port Hope wants a cookie you may need to share with them.
McGillicuddy
Active Member
No, but you do have to be able to lift the cookies unaided.
Sauga89
Active Member
You laugh, but it's probably worth noting that ALTO is soliciting briefs on their consultation website.
I'm not sure if anyone at ALTO will actually read any of it, but here is the upload page, in case anyone here thinks they can outdo Michael Schabas.
6ixGod
Active Member
This should have been Montreal-Toronto from the start. Watch them build Ottawa-Montreal section and then sit on it for decades. Just watch.
chrisw
Active Member
The good, bad and awful of the Alto high speed rail project, and how to fix the flaws and concerns surrounding it
I’ll start off by saying that even with all the criticism and foul language I’m about to hurl at Alto, I am actually in favour of moving forward with high speed rail.
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Mihairokov
Senior Member
Are you able to name something that either Ottawa or Montreal has had for decades that Toronto was prevented from having?
micheal_can
Senior Member
When I read this,it makes my fantasies pale in comparison. A stop n Tweed? Regional rail for the existing Corridor along the Kingston Sub?The good, bad and awful of the Alto high speed rail project, and how to fix the flaws and concerns surrounding it
I’ll start off by saying that even with all the criticism and foul language I’m about to hurl at Alto, I am actually in favour of moving forward with high speed rail.
They are in the consultation phase and already people want to say it is doomed.
They think it will mean that the Via Corridor service will be shut down.
They think that it will fail if it does not connect to airports.
Welcome to not being their targets.
Their targets are not small towns. It isn't the Lakeshore cities and towns. It isn't those that are flying out of the Corridor.
That does not mean it is doomed. It means they are avoiding scope creep.
legoswmonkey
New Member
Some interesting tidbits from my conversations with the various Alto reps today, including an engineer named David who really knew his stuff:
- When asked if ticketing and boarding would be more Skinkansen-style or the more securitized, airport style some are moving towards, they said it would be in the middle. Ticket booths at all stations (something Via doesn't do)
- No preferential treatment to Alstom when it comes to rolling stock, fully open bid. They've talked with South Korea about their domestic designs, along with the usual players. And depending on how relations trend there's a potential for CRRC.
- Highly communicative with Metrolinx as it comes to capacity at Union, corridors to enter Toronto. Didn't hint as to what path is preferred (seems that will be among the last decisions made for the routing) but want as little corridor shared as feasible.
- Any electrification standard will be shared with GO and EXO
- In communication with Amtrak for long term international route planning, but said this is an opportunity to leapfrop the FRA for once on railway standards
- Very hesitant to do an underground station (ie at union) for cost and risk reasons (contractors hate the idea)- something they learned from Amtrak, avoid a penn station style money hole. Willing to elevate a station but limited air rights available downtown.
- Aiming to undercut Via pricing, and several people mentioned discount student fares or passes
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generalcanada
Senior Member
also aiming for 400m trains. coupled 200m trainsets.
clarification with the station footprint. more a part of a requirement with the trainsets. mentions terminal stations need upwards of 6 platforms for holding trains.
they told me 25kv is what theyre doing
peterborough is most likely not going to go through the city. most likely south of the river
the southern leg adds 7 minutes more for the trip than the northern leg
both bell center/lucien lallier and gare centrale are both options being considered.
WB62
Senior Member
Hesitant to underground stations, notes limited ability to elevate the line, wants to limit corridor sharing, requires 400m long platforms, and needs up to six of them.
Their sites under consideration are:
• Union Station
• Somewhere near the Rogers Centre and CN Tower (which if chosen, could just be considered an extension of Union, just like UP was)
• Somewhere “well connected to the business district”, their map suggests potentially near city hall.
What are they gonna do in Toronto that satisfies most of these wants while still building the corridor through the city to the TMC?
Their sites under consideration are:
• Union Station
• Somewhere near the Rogers Centre and CN Tower (which if chosen, could just be considered an extension of Union, just like UP was)
• Somewhere “well connected to the business district”, their map suggests potentially near city hall.
What are they gonna do in Toronto that satisfies most of these wants while still building the corridor through the city to the TMC?
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McGillicuddy
Active Member
If they won't elevate, they won't tunnel, they won't displace, and they won't demolish, the only remaining option is to build a floating station in the harbour.