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I am one again asking the governement to level this thing and make proper use of our most valuble real estate.

Park? ew. Cultural institutions? Heck no. Housing? Over my dead body. Something accessible to the whole city? Good god. 4% of the city's air travel at an airport that is now harder to get to than Pearson? Now were making some sense.

There is billions in infrastructure already invested at Billy Bishop. Removing it for a park or something would be a large GDP hit to the city and would burn billions of stranded assets.

A small runway extension opens up extra capacity and improves productivity. This province needs infrastructure as well as parks - and like it or not, with Buttonville and Downsview closed, the City is rather limited on airport options now.. it can't afford to be down to one airport for the entire city.

Even if this opens Billy Bishop to private jets, that frees up runway slots at Pearson and better balances the airport capacity in the city. And even then, the limited slots here are also an artificial construct.. there is no reason the expansion can also result in more slots added.
 
To each their own, but another Downtown East resident and frequent flyer (me) feels that the UP Express and Porter jets flying out of T3 is a superior solution that trying to get in and out of the foot of Bathurst. I don't like this idea one bit.
Bathurst is a mess for sure. I always walk up Bathurst (Eireann Quay) to Queen's Quay (or to the Esso at Lakeshore) and grab an Uber from there. The trouble with T3 is you get caught up in the greater crowd, huge lines, etc., so there's no benefit to flying Porter. Might as well fly whichever is cheaper.
 
There is billions in infrastructure already invested at Billy Bishop. Removing it for a park or something would be a large GDP hit to the city and would burn billions of stranded assets.

A small runway extension opens up extra capacity and improves productivity. This province needs infrastructure as well as parks - and like it or not, with Buttonville and Downsview closed, the City is rather limited on airport options now.. it can't afford to be down to one airport for the entire city.

Even if this opens Billy Bishop to private jets, that frees up runway slots at Pearson and better balances the airport capacity in the city. And even then, the limited slots here are also an artificial construct.. there is no reason the expansion can also result in more slots added.
And those CEOs of the multi-national companies can fly in their privates to Billy Bishop close to the new metro convention center built on lake fill lol
 
There is billions in infrastructure already invested at Billy Bishop. Removing it for a park or something would be a large GDP hit to the city and would burn billions of stranded assets.

A small runway extension opens up extra capacity and improves productivity. This province needs infrastructure as well as parks - and like it or not, with Buttonville and Downsview closed, the City is rather limited on airport options now.. it can't afford to be down to one airport for the entire city.

Even if this opens Billy Bishop to private jets, that frees up runway slots at Pearson and better balances the airport capacity in the city. And even then, the limited slots here are also an artificial construct.. there is no reason the expansion can also result in more slots added.

Sunk cost fallacies aside, Billy Bishop does not offer any sort of redundancy in the event Pearson goes down. I'd love to see an argument that claims a significant amount of GTA GDP is dependent on that tiny airport. What Billy Bishop does offer is a good home base for helicopters, and we can do that with even less runway.
 
Bathurst is a mess for sure. I always walk up Bathurst (Eireann Quay) to Queen's Quay (or to the Esso at Lakeshore) and grab an Uber from there.
I've just caught a taxi at the taxi stand (which I wish wasn't at the far end of the loop).

The trouble with T3 is you get caught up in the greater crowd, huge lines, etc., so there's no benefit to flying Porter. Might as well fly whichever is cheaper.
Huge lines for Porter at YYZ? It's annoying if they are flying in/out of the T2 Satellite gates, but the small plane size and 2×2 configuration seem to have pretty short lines getting on and off.
 
Sunk cost fallacies aside, Billy Bishop does not offer any sort of redundancy in the event Pearson goes down. I'd love to see an argument that claims a significant amount of GTA GDP is dependent on that tiny airport. What Billy Bishop does offer is a good home base for helicopters, and we can do that with even less runway.
I didn't mean redundancy in that case, but overall capacity. Look at the mess London is going through trying to add an extra runway to LHR - and that's with a multitude of alternative airports. It's not redundancy - it's overall capacity. Pearson only has 2-3 runways operational at a time, if YTZ disappears, we effectively drop the number of landing slots in the city by 25-33%. We are already at the point where the city essentially has no general aviation airports, Oshawa is the closest.

Yes, YYZ handles the biggest, "highest value" flights, but if YTZ disappears, all the traffic operating out of YTZ needs to be routed to YYZ and will need to compete for those 2-3 runways.

Regarding sunk costs, that's far from a fallacy. Shutting down an airport with a couple of billion of infrastructure, much of it less than 20 years old, to replace it with a park would not be a "fallacy". It would be actively detrimental to investment and limit infrastructure availability.

YTZ does not control some massive portion of GDP, no. But it feeds into it as a key part of the wider picture. Deleting it would not send the city into deep recession - but that doesn't mean it's a good idea, and it doesn't mean that looking to expand it would also not help improve overall productivity. New transportation infrastructure is critical to supporting productivity, and this city has built remarkably little in the last 20 years. At the very least we should not be looking to destroy the few underbuilt assets we do have.
 
There is billions in infrastructure already invested at Billy Bishop. Removing it for a park or something would be a large GDP hit to the city and would burn billions of stranded assets.
I didn't limit the options to a park (which would still probably be more valuble.) How do we quantify the GDP something like Cental Park or the Chap the Mars? Because thats the opportunity were squandering.

The benefits of Billy bishop are greatly exaggerated. The opportunity cost is generational.
 
Surprise! This will keep happening until a longterm land-use plan is developed that provides for a larger facility further away from the waterfront. Put WT and CreateTO in charge!
 
so how does the triparty agreement matter in this? by expropriating the city's land can they just make that irrelevant?
 
so how does the triparty agreement matter in this? by expropriating the city's land can they just make that irrelevant?
The city is and always will be at the will of the province. It's not it's own entity as much as it is a provincial entity created to administer local issues. If the province wants to step in, they can - and Ford has been willing to do this across Ontario with municipalities far more than in the past. In 2013 the provincial Liberals were willing to respect the City's wishes here. Apparently no longer.

The only two that really matter are the province and the feds.
 
Maybe a compromise out of this situation could be provincial funding for the waterfront LRT expansion. A larger Billy Bishop airport will need better transit, and the 509 could be more frequent and faster.
 
I didn't limit the options to a park (which would still probably be more valuble.) How do we quantify the GDP something like Cental Park or the Chap the Mars? Because thats the opportunity were squandering.
I don't believe there's any plans to remove either of the parks south or north of the airport.

Though if Billy Bishop were to go, it would be a great location for high density residential! Does anyone really need that we need yet another park there?
 
I don't believe there's any plans to remove either of the parks south or north of the airport.

Though if Billy Bishop were to go, it would be a great location for high density residential! Does anyone really need that we need yet another park there?
Have fun living in a higher density residential near an airport with jets...
 
Would the safety zone be extend even further if they get jets?

Picture from previous post. @Admiral Beez
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