[nfitz]

Oh please - there’s a massive difference between “My Backyard” and the backyard for the entire downtown Toronto. The waterfront is special. It should not be used for this.

Is the waterfront special, or are the NIMBYs special?

It's not like there's anyone living at Ontario Place. Or playing these days.

Where's the complaints about the new extra-loud speakers at BMO Field that sound louder a good distance outside the stadium than inside? Oh wait, there aren't any, because no one lives there.

 

[bobbob911]

The biggest concern is the impact to the Inner harbour, for sure. If jets are always going to take off and land to the west, and we don’t need big ugly jet blast barriers on the east side, then sure - no problem.

 

[Sqazi]

An airport in Pickering would make so much more sense than expanding Billy Bishop, with land already set aside for it. Pearson for the West, Billy Bishop for Downtown and Pickering for the East- instead of making everyone from Scarborough, Markham, etc commute all the way to Downtown or across to Pearson.

 

[bobbob911]

More like Hamilton for the west, Pearson for central and Pickering for the east, and leave Billy Bishop as the boutique airport it currently is.

 

[PL1]

The Pickering airport has been cancelled, and the lands are no longer available. Sure, never say never, but I think that will not happen

 

[nfitz]

The Pickering airport has been cancelled, and the lands are no longer available. Sure, never say never, but I think that will not happen

Lots of room in the lake to build an island - off the nuclear station!

 

[bobbob911]

The Pickering airport has been cancelled, and the lands are no longer available. Sure, never say never, but I think that will not happen

The *reason* it was cancelled is because it was determined that Pearson can handle the increasing demand for the foreseeable future. So which is it - do we need a second airport or not? If we do, it should be Pickering and/or Hamilton.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The *reason* it was cancelled is because it was determined that Pearson can handle the increasing demand for the foreseeable future. So which is it - do we need a second airport or not? If we do, it should be Pickering and/or Hamilton.

You say this as if there isn't a historic, significant NIMBY group in Pickering lobbying for it's closure as well..

Reality is nobody wants to live next to an airport. No matter where they are, nobody likes them.

Pearson can likely accomodate growth over the next 30-40 years, but eventually will run out of runway.

The GTA is already having issues with smaller, non commercial airliner flights. There are basically no general aviation airports left in the GTA at this point and smaller flight services like private jets are routed to Pearson as there is no real alternative. That crunch is going to extend to commercial flights at some point too.

 

[bobbob911]

Of course there was a lobby to kill the Pickering airport, but the stated reason by the Federal Liberal government was that there was no need. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[bobbob911]

The GTA is already having issues with smaller, non commercial airliner flights. There are basically no general aviation airports left in the GTA at this point and smaller flight services like private jets are routed to Pearson as there is no real alternative. That crunch is going to extend to commercial flights at some point too.

I guess my heart bleeds a little for the private jet set having to land at the private jet terminal at Pearson, but y’know - times are tough. And Billy Bishop is just never going to grow enough to meaningfully offload air traffic from Pearson.

You know what could? Hamilton (or Pickering)

 

[innsertnamehere]

I guess my heart bleeds a little for the private jet set having to land at the private jet terminal at Pearson, but y’know - times are tough. And Billy Bishop is just never going to grow enough to meaningfully offload air traffic from Pearson.

You know what could? Hamilton (or Pickering)

The TPA plan is to eventually be able to support 10 million annual passengers.

Thats 20% of what Pearson is planning to accomdoate (around 65 million).

And yes, Hamilton will absorb some demand too. But the last two years have had it at about 300,000 annual passengers.. It's simply too remote from most of the GTA to be useful. The airport has struggled to post consistent growth for decades as there simply isn't demand.

And Pickering is dead.

We can cry about private services and general aviation, but those services are equally important to, if not more so than, the economy as the Sunwing flights to Cuba so Joe Schmoe can go sit on a beach for 5 days. And the issue isn't the PJs having somewhere to park at Pearson, it's about runway capacity at the airport and the very high landing fees associated with it given the limited supply..

 

[bobbob911]

The TPA *plan* is to grow to 10MM passengers in the next 50 years. And this target is absolutely ludicrous because of all the infrastructure needed on the mainland to support this amount of traffic, and will turn the Toronto inner harbour into a non stop corridor of air traffic all day long.

a much more reasonable solution would be to build regular dedicated rail service from Union to Hamilton airport. It would probably take around an hour to get there.

 

[nfitz]

I guess my heart bleeds a little for the private jet set having to land at the private jet terminal at Pearson, but y’know - times are tough.

I fail to see how a private jet landing at Pearson is going to make more noise than a private jet landing at Billy Bishop.

Heck, I don't see it would even have the same noise level, given much of the noisy deceleration and drop in elevation can be over the water.

My advice would be to not fight the airport, but instead do winnable battles; like flight path restrictions.

 

[bobbob911]

I agree the physics is the same, I’m not sure what your point is.My point is that in one case that noise traffic is not directly overhead of this all day long:

 

[bobbob911]

And in one case we don’t need to install a massive one of these right in our inner harbour