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Mulder said:
This is a pretty narrow minded point of view.

The Consumers Road block businesses employ over 20,000 people. That's not including the new residential that's being build or anybody to the north of Sheppard of east of Vic Park. It's probably be the best value and usage for a minor extension in the city.
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This is true but a good chunk of that, and the new condos on Sheppard, are pretty far from Vic Park.

Heron's Hill condos, offices on Yorkland Blvd and offices in the South East portion of Consumers road will not be well served by a Vic Park station. A large number of the actual destinations are well over 1km from Vic Park by foot in Winter/Spring (shortcuts are easier in Summer/Fall).

Hopefully they spend the extra $80M and put a stop at YorkLand or Consumers road as well (roughly 700m from Vic Park and 1.3km from Don Mills).
 
Tulse said:
That's presuming that the one is only extending the subway -- a billion dollars would by a lot more BRT and/or LRT. This extension is a huge amount of money to serve relatively few people, compared to alternatives.
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Not really. A large chunk of cash was going to be required to get either a BRT or LRT over/under highway 404. SELRT had nearly half of its total cost being invested between Consumers Road and Don Mills station ($400M, which would be higher now due to delays).

Once you get past Consumers road there are savings to be had using a different mode; but getting to Consumers Road is going to be expensive regardless of mode.

If it's going to be subway to Consumers, Vic Park is a reasonable place for a small end of the line bus terminal. I don't see a business case for going past Vic Park (completing a line on a map is not a business case) but I do buy into a 2 stop subway extension to Vic Park.
 
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rbt said:
This is true but a good chunk of that, and the new condos on Sheppard, are pretty far from Vic Park.

Heron's Hill condos, offices on Yorkland Blvd and offices in the South East portion of Consumers road will not be well served by a Vic Park station. A large number of the actual destinations are well over 1km from Vic Park by foot in Winter/Spring (shortcuts are easier in Summer/Fall).

Hopefully they spend the extra $80M and put a stop at YorkLand or Consumers road as well (roughly 700m from Vic Park and 1.3km from Don Mills).
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I think they are building a community housing building on the north east side of vic park and sheppard. a 8 story building. I remember on a thread in here arguing that it was way to short. not that i think a 30-40 floor community housing building is a good idea but rather a 8 story building being built so close to a potential subway stop. People argued though that in relation to the buildings around 8 floors was approproate. How appropriate is it if this extension happens tho. I think it completely changes everything. That whole plaza needs to be ripped down and intensified with condos and potentially office buildings. I will say I would have accepted a 8 floor office building. Maybe more appropriate would have been a 8 floor office with condos on top. Anyways back to my big question.....

If it costs 600 million to convert the sheppard subway to LRT how much more would it have cost to get to Victoria park? would it cost 1 billion or less?????
 
rbt said:
SELRT had nearly half of its total cost being invested between Vic Park and Don Mills station ($400M, which would be higher now due to delays).
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It was between Don Mills Station and west of Consumers Drive. Both the Consumers Drive and Victoria Park stations were above-ground, centre-of-the-road LRT stations. Building them as underground subway stations adds hugely to the cost. The portal was going to be east of Boneset Road and west of Consumers Drive. From the east end of the Don Mills platform, this would have required about 950 m of tunnel. With the amount of tunnel almost doubling, and the addition of two underground stations, it's not surprising that the price more than doubles.

If we are going to build Eglinton East as surface LRT do be more cost-efficient, it seems a complete waste of money to be changing tracks, and moving the previously approved Eglinton East LRT from where it is, to below ground.

For the $1-billion amount being discussed, instead of building 2 subway stations, we could instead built the Sheppard East LRT from Don Mills to Markham Road. Add another $150 million and it would go all the way to Morningside.
 
M II A II R II K said:
If they tunnel the whole thing then they can make Eglinton a 4 car train and carry as many as a subway and then not complain about less capacity for higher costs.
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A Eglinton station box will be built to fit a 5-car LRV train. The initial configuration of the stations will be for 3-car trains, but can be expanded to 4 or 5 as needed.
 
W. K. Lis said:
A Eglinton station box will be built to fit a 5-car LRV train. The initial configuration of the stations will be for 3-car trains, but can be expanded to 4 or 5 as needed.
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Are you 100% sure? I thought the box was only for a 3-car LRV train. That's what the station box design seems to show on the Crosstown website. Though that's a 90-metre train - the 4-car Sheppard trains are only 92-metres. A 5-car LRV train would be 150 metres - that's longer than a 6-car subway train (138 metres).
 
rbt said:
This is true but a good chunk of that, and the new condos on Sheppard, are pretty far from Vic Park.

Heron's Hill condos, offices on Yorkland Blvd and offices in the South East portion of Consumers road will not be well served by a Vic Park station. A large number of the actual destinations are well over 1km from Vic Park by foot in Winter/Spring (shortcuts are easier in Summer/Fall).

Hopefully they spend the extra $80M and put a stop at YorkLand or Consumers road as well (roughly 700m from Vic Park and 1.3km from Don Mills).
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I thought that's what the plan states. Subway exit at Consumers Road? As per

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...nton-lrt-back-to-street-level/article2313981/

Eglinton Crosstown line run at street level as first planned with the money that saves used to extend the Sheppard subway two stops to Victoria Park
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It's by no means the best plan, but it's a start and at least councillors are listening and trying to provide the best bang for the buck. If the Finch BRT mirrors VIVA's BRT on Highway 7 with easy conversion to LRT then that should be taken as a sign of progress as it kinds of irks me that councillor Augmeri is going with this "go big or go home" mentality (saying LRT or nothing) - BRT would be an improvement on the current service on Finch.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I do hope this happens.
 
JoeParez said:
It's by no means the best plan, but it's a start and at least councillors are listening and trying to provide the best bang for the buck. If the Finch BRT mirrors VIVA's BRT on Highway 7 with easy conversion to LRT then that should be taken as a sign of progress as it kinds of irks me that councillor Augmeri is going with this "go big or go home" mentality (saying LRT or nothing) - BRT would be an improvement on the current service on Finch.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I do hope this happens.
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wish we could have double decker busses instead or artics as a way to handle the additional capacity... lower the road under bridges please to get them to fit.
 
Mulder said:
This is a pretty narrow minded point of view.

The Consumers Road block businesses employ over 20,000 people. That's not including the new residential that's being build or anybody to the north of Sheppard of east of Vic Park. It's probably be the best value and usage for a minor extension in the city.

I used to work in that block and commuted from High Park via all 3 subway lines and a bus, I ended up calculating that I wasted anywhere between 40 minutes to an hour a day waiting for that bus to take me from Fairview Mall to work and back a day. With a Subway extension it would be a 5 minute walk. Time is money.
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What a load of crap. The purple line will not get more full by extending it by two stops.
 
dunkalunk said:
I don't quite see the purpose of extending the Sheppard Subway if there is going to be a parallel busway 2km north running a longer distance.

In any case, it would be best to investigate all types of BRT from signal priority only to queue jump lanes to full busway. My preference would be for a curbside bus/right turn lane with dedicated right turn lanes for general traffic at major intersections.
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They can run the Finch East BRT to the new Victoria Park North station, since the majority of the ridership should be from east of Victoria Park Av. Seneca could be served by a shuttle from Don Mills or a diversion of the Don Mills bus into Seneca. With that, they don't even have to touch the 404/Finch bridge.
 
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