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It's funny how many 'done deals' pertaining to the east port lands and the T.F.S. site have come and gone over the years.
As much as I dislike Walmart, if we must have one downtown I would like to see it at the Canada Malting silos at the foot of Bathurst. Their parking lot could utterly dominate the area, and reduce traffic for the island airport to a stand-still. Perhaps that isn't worth having a Walmart, but if they're coming downtown anyway...
 
Most likely TFS on Eastern Ave. The area is becoming a magnet for new retail. Canadian Tire with Marks WW and Shoppers on one corner. I think there is a phase 2 to this project extending further west. Loblaws on the other corner and a brand spanking new Wal-Mart on the other side. Is Lowe's far behind. There is talk about designing a smaller urban inspired store to compete with Home Depot at Gerrard Sq. The local councilor is trying to ban big box retail but more compact multi-floor designs with parking hidden beneath with big elevators could work. Wal-Mart could do what CT did and work with city planners to incorporate a more urban design that will respond to its physical surroundings. Responding to local surroundings has become a part of good corporate citizenship. In the US, major retailers such as Costco, Home Depot, Lowe’s and McDonald's have responded to communities with innovative store designs. Good design does not necessarily cost more money. What it demands is imagination.
 
Mystery solved!

From today's Sun:

One battle that is over involved the City of Toronto and its largest tax debtor. Last October, the owners of Cinespace walked in to City Hall with a cheque for almost $5 million to clear the taxes on 721 Eastern Ave., former home of Canada Metals. Cinespace, owned by the Mirkopoulos family, hopes to put a movie studio on the site.

All the battles on Eastern Ave. aren't over, yet. Next door, Rose Corp., owner of 629 Eastern Ave., home of Toronto Film Studios, recently added a new co-owner to its site, Smart Centres Inc., whose anchor tenant will be a Wal-Mart.

Big box stores in Coun. Paula Fletcher's ward? Let's just say the studio district residents aren't going to be happy and Fletch is flipping out.

Toronto Film Studios is also building Film Port on the port lands and the Mirkopoulos family is furious they may close Toronto Film Studios when the new building is ready, robbing the city of much-needed studio space.

Ken Ferguson of TFS said the aging studio will remain open until the end of 2008. Any longer depends on how development on Eastern Ave. is going. In other words, how long it takes to get the first downtown Wal-Mart and other big box stores built

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Very disappointing. Wal-Mart had the chance to build something urban-ish at St. Clair and Runnymede, but apart from making the store's door somewhat close to the sidewalk, it's still run-of-the-mill.

At least by the time this will open, the minimum wage will be $10.25.

The new Wal-Mart in Guelph (the one with all the controversy a while back) is more "landscaped" with the facade having some stone elements (in the same vien, ironically, as the old Woolco store) and a green peaked metal sign, rather than the standard blue. Still surrounded by a sea of parking.
 
Yeh the one in Guelph is ugly and life sucking depite the extra ..um..'effort' they put into the..err.. 'architecture'. It's still a warehouse surrounded by a sea of ashpalt.
 
huge retail power centre proposed

Might be sooner than we think, if they get the nod from OMB.
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Power centre proposal for film studio land
DAVID NICKLE
05/10/07 17:30:00

Just-submitted plans to redevelop the Toronto Film Studio's Eastern Avenue property into what appears to be a huge retail power centre will be on display at the Ralph Thornton Centre next week - and local Ward 30 (Toronto Danforth) Councillor Paula Fletcher is getting ready for a fight.
Fletcher said the plans, by Smart Centres Incorporated, mark a "175-degree" shift from a proposal originally tabled with the community several years ago by the studio. Those plans would have seen the 19-acre site redeveloped as a mix of live-work housing and small-scale commercial, with two condominium towers facing Lake Shore Boulevard.

That development was being proposed by the consortium that is building the mega studio in Toronto's port lands - and would only take place after Toronto Film Studios had vacated its current location on Eastern Avenue for the new studio south of Lake Shore Boulevard.

However, when the city balked at the rezoning of the employment lands to incorporate so much residential, Smart Centres Inc. stepped in to handle the redevelopment.

The Vaughan-based developer builds power centres with anchor tenants such as Home Depot and Wal-Mart.

The new plans are in the city's hands as a result of an order at the Ontario Municipal Board, where the applicant is appealing the city's ruling. The city had demanded to see a revised plan, and last week, it received it.

The revision, which calls itself The Foundry District, shows a large retail plaza, with 12 retail buildings, some of which have two or three storeys of residential on top of them. There's parking for 1,900 cars in two lots. The total floor area for the site is 643,622 square metres, with 44,643 of that devoted to residential.

The plan also envisions three new traffic lights - two of which are on Eastern, at Pape and Larchmont, and another is on Lake Shore in a location that appears to cross existing rail lines running up the middle of the road.

Officials from Smart Centres could not be reached by Mirror deadline Thursday.

Fletcher said the development would be a disaster for the community.

"The community wanted a studio district, not a foundry district," said Fletcher. "They want continued employment in an industry that's alive and healthy in the east end - and if you've ever heard of the term over-development, this to my mind is an over-development of retail.

"Is this why we have employment areas, to have low wage retail jobs? If you're setting land aside for employment purposes can this be considered a true employment purpose?"

Fletcher said the development will create traffic problems - particularly on Lake Shore, which is a through-route for traffic from Scarborough. And it won't fit with a planned bike lane along Eastern Avenue.

As well, she said the plan has so reduced residential development that it has scarcely any relationship to the plan that had originally come forward.

"What it looks like to me is there's a couple of floors of residential on top of a power centre, and it's almost like a trojan horse, bringing the power centre in on the backs of a couple of floors of residential," she said.

Fletcher will be holding a community meeting this coming Thursday May 17, at the Ralph Thornton Centre, 765 Queen St. The meeting starts at 7 p.m.
 
Very disappointing. Wal-Mart had the chance to build something urban-ish at St. Clair and Runnymede, but apart from making the store's door somewhat close to the sidewalk, it's still run-of-the-mill.

It's not a pretty store, but they sure urbanized it. The aisles are tighter, there's underground parking so theoretically they could probably develop have the above ground lot in the future. The colour scheme inside isn't that nice, but it gives it some identity. They also installed benches by the road with some kind of sun visor/roof above. Speaking of Runnymede and St. Clair, that stretch of St. Clair (eastbound) is painfully undeveloped. And it seems as if they haven't done a resurfacing in 30 years.
 
Wal-Mart's Urban 90 format opened this past Thursday in Scarborough at Markham & Eglinton...all indicators point to more to come throughout the urban core. Gerrard Square is definately next, as Wal-Mart converts the Zellers it picked-up from Target.
 
Well, Canadian Tire is downtown and more and more of their stuff is made in China so I can't see Walmart being any worse. In fact, they do offer good savings on pharmacy products so I see it as a good thing. It's really not anyone's job to keep higher-priced retailers in business. Many years ago, things in Canada were typically 100% more costly than the U.S. Now, things are (aside from automobiles and a few other items) more in-line with the value of our dollar and despite complaints about cut-rate retailers, we are materially better off today than 20 years ago.
 
Of course because things are made cheap. sold for less and now people have more than they need and easily disposable and not made to last/ Does that make us materially better? I say no
 
Was referring more to lower margins on goods of known quality

Of course because things are made cheap. sold for less and now people have more than they need and easily disposable and not made to last/ Does that make us materially better? I say no

But you are right, if you (for example) buy a socket tool set for $10.00 at Walmart and a Craftsman set with lifetime guarantee from Sears costs $50.00, it's a pretty good bet the Sears product is superior.
 
Well, Canadian Tire is downtown and more and more of their stuff is made in China so I can't see Walmart being any worse. In fact, they do offer good savings on pharmacy products so I see it as a good thing. It's really not anyone's job to keep higher-priced retailers in business. Many years ago, things in Canada were typically 100% more costly than the U.S. Now, things are (aside from automobiles and a few other items) more in-line with the value of our dollar and despite complaints about cut-rate retailers, we are materially better off today than 20 years ago.

that's exactly my point.
Walmart is no worse than other major retailers. It' s just its sheer size that makes it an easy target of vilification. You go to Canadian Tire, Sears, the Bay, Shoppers, those stores are full of imports from China. When was the last time someone bought a toy that was NOT made in China? Picking on Walmart becomes a comfortable thing those pseudo-liberals do as if they are the only human being who care about the welfare of the world.

As to "cheap labour" in China, I'd like to add a few comments. Many Canadians seem to dislike Chinese products because they think those poor factories workers who work 12 hours a day with no benefit are treated unfairly and therefore it is an issue of "human rights" and by not buying from Walmart is some sort of heroic and progressive action. I would say it is laughable and ignorant.

Those poor workers choose to work that way because that's the best money they can make. Yes, they have a hard life but the truth is, without Walmart etc, they will have no job and end up working in the field doing algricultural work all day, making even less money. China's population has determined that labour will be cheap for a long time as low skilled supply is so abundant. You can't artificially inflate wage by forcing companies to pay more, can you? Those workers may be working for $2 an hour but that's what low skilled labour is worth in China, and $2 an hour is not that low in Chinese standards (starting salary for fresh college graduates is somewhere about $500 a month in large cities like shanghai, which is less than $3 per hour). You wanna pay them more, all of them? Go ahead.

You guys are so out of touch of the reality and being obsessed with all this "human rights" crap and feeling all good about your seemingly higher morality, without understanding how things really work in other countries. You think it is only fair to pay someone $30 an hour for basic labour such as installing a AC unit? Can you really think it is realistic to artificially increase everyone's wage by 5 to 10 times? Learn some basically economics and then judge.
 
Of course because things are made cheap. sold for less and now people have more than they need and easily disposable and not made to last/ Does that make us materially better? I say no

Your logic doesn't fly here.
No one says you can only buy cheap and easily disposable products from China, right? Chinese imports only provides more options to folks who can't afford higher and stuff. Why is that a bad thing? If you don't like furniture made in China, they are better ones made in Italy, no one says you have to buy Chinese products, right?

Your logic is like saying H&M shouldn't exist because their products are too cheap and don't last long enough, and everyone should go buy Armani. Funny, eh?

You might counter-argue that Chinese imports take Canadian jobs away, etc. The truth is, if most Canadians prefer higher quality, more expensive Canadian products, stuff made in Canada should still have a strong market and would still be able to make money, isn't that right? For example, Iphone is a lot more expensive than some cheap mobile phone made in China, but that didn't prevent Iphones to sell better than anyone else, did it?

In sum, if Canadians don't like cheap products from China, they may choose to buy high quality products. It makes no sense to complain the sheer availability of Chinese products that some other people will choose to buy. Go to Harry Rosen, there are expensive socks not made in China I am sure.

And if Chinese cheap labour takes away Canadian manufacture jobs, that only means the market has determined that the quality of Canadian made products are not high enough to justify its much higher price, what is complain here? Go back to the drawing board and made superior products that make consumers think worth their price, like Apple does. If you can't do that, that means you are a loser in the market. And true, losers always complain.
 
But you are right, if you (for example) buy a socket tool set for $10.00 at Walmart and a Craftsman set with lifetime guarantee from Sears costs $50.00, it's a pretty good bet the Sears product is superior.

then go buy those $50 socks, and why bother complain about the availabity of cheap socks? Some people need them.
Don't you find it funny here? If you don't think Ikea quality is good and durable, then don't buy it. There are tons of $5000 per piece made-in-italy couches on Queen West, go get them. There is no point in picking on cheap stuff at Ikea.
 
People vote with their wallets (and 90% vote "Yes" on Walmart)

No, I agree with what you've said. Ever since Dickens wrote about work conditions in factories in England, people have believed there is suffering in industrial development. No, it's not great for the Chinese, but it's FAR better than slopping hogs or picking rice for pennies a day. Which is why China has grown so fast now.
 

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