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The other thing that the B-D Subway extension might do is prevent the DRL from going up to Eglinton. With the grade-separated Eglinton line - there would be great presure to extend the DRL to Eglinton. Without this, the reasons would be Flemindon and Thornecliffe - not exactly the most influential neighbourhoods in Toronto.

This argument will play a role, however there are other reasons to extend the eastern leg of DRL to Eglinton, and even north of it. That would provide a more effective relief of Yonge; and once the line reaches Eglinton, powerful suburban constituencies will have a reason to support its further extension.
 
What about Royal York, Kipling, Warden, Markham Rd, etc. LRT or Bus?

Markham Road probably won't warrant LRT for a long time. Its northern section does not even have all-day bus service.

All other said avenues are potential candidates. I would certainly add the Kennedy Subway - Eglinton - Kingston Road - Morningside route (up to Sheppard) to the list; it should have decent ridership, and is a Transit City line, although unfunded at this time.
 
Markham Road probably won't warrant LRT for a long time. Its northern section does not even have all-day bus service.

All other said avenues are potential candidates. I would certainly add the Kennedy Subway - Eglinton - Kingston Road - Morningside route (up to Sheppard) to the list; it should have decent ridership, and is a Transit City line, although unfunded at this time.

IMO we need way more north south transit in this city.

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innstertnamehere you are very informative. You should consider starting a website.
 
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You are correct there as well, My rank of priorities for project funding based on importance runs something like this:

1. DRL south of Bloor
2. Yonge Extension
3. Eglinton LRT to the Airport (preferably trench along the richview corridor, though there are so few lights along the stretch that a surface run would be just fine)
4. Bloor extension to Sherway
5. Jane LRT
6. DRL to Don Mills / Eglinton

I agree, however, I think the DRL should use trams (6 to 8 cars) and run at grade above Bloor. If the Don Mills LRT stayed in Transit City the job of a DRL would be eased since a DRL from even University or Spadina to Bloor would just be a waste of time and money IMHO.
 
8 car LRT trains? you are looking at 240m long trains there... Just build a nice little transfer at Eglinton for the LRT to DRL just like how the Sheppard LRT will be. The DRL needs to be heavy rail, there is no way getting around that.
 
8 car LRT trains? you are looking at 240m long trains there... Just build a nice little transfer at Eglinton for the LRT to DRL just like how the Sheppard LRT will be. The DRL needs to be heavy rail, there is no way getting around that.

I know, 8 trains are a bit of a push. I look at it like this, the relief line is supposed to be just that, a relief for Yonge, so would a line need to have HRVs. Anyway, I am an idealist at times.

The transfer point makes complete sense, and will reduce the costs of putting a line up to at least Sheppard.
 
What about Royal York, Kipling, Warden, Markham Rd, etc. LRT or Bus?


I'd say these would be the best routes for future LRT:

NORTH SOUTH: Islington, Kipling, Jane, Dufferin, Bathurst, Don Mills, Victoria Park, Kennedy, Markham, Morningside

EAST WEST: Wilson, Finch east, Lawrence, Steeles, Highway 7, Ellesmere, Kingston/Highway 2

If these stops are given grade-separated status and are made to be electrified Eurostyle "pre-metros", I think the public would get off of its "subways cubed" kick mighty quickly.
 
I'd say these would be the best routes for future LRT:

NORTH SOUTH: Islington, Kipling, Jane, Dufferin, Bathurst, Don Mills, Victoria Park, Kennedy, Markham, Morningside

EAST WEST: Wilson, Finch east, Lawrence, Steeles, Highway 7, Ellesmere, Kingston/Highway 2

If these stops are given grade-separated status and are made to be electrified Eurostyle "pre-metros", I think the public would get off of its "subways cubed" kick mighty quickly.

Agreed!
 
I'd say these would be the best routes for future LRT:

NORTH SOUTH: Islington, Kipling, Jane, Dufferin, Bathurst, Don Mills, Victoria Park, Kennedy, Markham, Morningside

EAST WEST: Wilson, Finch east, Lawrence, Steeles, Highway 7, Ellesmere, Kingston/Highway 2

If these stops are given grade-separated status and are made to be electrified Eurostyle "pre-metros", I think the public would get off of its "subways cubed" kick mighty quickly.

Interesting list, I agree with all but Markham & Morningside (NORTH SOUTH), they could be served by a Kingston/HYW 2. Wilson/Yorkmills/Ellesmere would be more appropriate (EAST WEST) along with the others.
 
If these stops are given grade-separated status and are made to be electrified Eurostyle "pre-metros", I think the public would get off of its "subways cubed" kick mighty quickly.

Definitely! The Eglinton-Crosstown line is a highly important line in terms of demonstrating to the public what LRT con do.

The current plan shows its flexibility particularly just outside the ends of the tunnel. On the east, it rises up to the surface, running alongside traffic, before dipping down under the busy Don Mills intersection. It then runs along Eglinton crossing the DVP ramps at grade (hopefully with very powerful priority) and across the existing grade separation at Wyndford Drive.

But for the rest of the route, it seems to be ordinary streetcar-in-a-ROW design.

Selective grade separation can go a long way toward improving speeds and public image of Light Rail.

<EDIT: never mind>I'd like to see corresponding grade separation on the west end, with the line running on a bridge over Black Creek Drive (with no station) and diving back into a tunnel for Mount Dennis station at Weston road. This was one of the options put forward in the design stage, but it was dismissed due to cost. But we now know that this city apparently considers cost no object in building rapid transit, so the decision to build at-grade is worth revisiting. Indeed, the amount of time saved by this single grade separation would be similar to the amount of time saved by the Scarborough Subway (2 minutes).</never mind>

It would have been great to include the Scarborough RT as the east end of the ECLRT, showing how fast LRT can be when independent of a street, and muting the desire to build a multi-billion dollar subway extension to replace the city's fastest rapid transit line.

The TTC says it couldn't interoperate the SRT and ECLRT because the route would be too long to maintain service reliability. Yet they have no problem extending the YUS subway ad infinitum, so clearly what they mean is that the standard of design is too low to maintain service reliability.

With more grade separation on the above-ground portions, the SRT and ECLRT could operate as one, and we could eliminate the Kennedy transfer without bankrupting the city.

Instead of transferring at Kennedy to the B-D line and again at Bloor-Yonge (as if that station needs more riders), Scarborough riders can simply stay on the SRT until Don Mills or Yonge, and transfer to the DRL or Yonge Line.

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Spending a few hundred million extra on the ECLRT to improve speed and reliability would have exactly the same impact as spending billions of dollars on the subway extension, allowing those billions of dollars to instead be put toward the DRL.
 
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Selective grade separation can go a long way toward improving speeds and public image of Light Rail. I'd like to see corresponding grade separation on the west end, with the line running on a bridge over Black Creek Drive (with no station) and diving back into a tunnel for Mount Dennis station at Weston road. This was one of the options put forward in the design stage, but it was dismissed due to cost. But we now know that this city apparently considers cost no object in building rapid transit, so the decision to build at-grade is worth revisiting. Indeed, the amount of time saved by this single grade separation would be similar to the amount of time saved by the Scarborough Subway (2 minutes).

That change has been made. TTC dismissed it, Metrolinx revisited it when they took over the project. IIRC, it was made cost-neutral by shortening the line back to Weston Rd. and cutting the Black Creek stop.
 
They were fine which operating it as a single line when it was entirely grade seperated, they just switched the operations once the at grade portion was reintroduced as it would have proven unreliable.
 
So why is it when I check station design there is nothing on Weston. It only begins with Keele and mentions stations to the Allen
 

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