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Given the ongoing testing challenges and a lack of confidence in system reliability, legal disputes, and contractual complexities, my best guess is it opens in spring/summer 2026.

That'll be almost 20 years since then-Mayor David Miller announced the project.
They should hire som FAANG developers to fix the signalling bugs since they seem to be able to finish products within a week 🤣
 
how does one correct a wildly speculative and unsubstantiated rumour?
actual facts to prove otherwise... we saw every time they went silent, months later they admit there was a problem, from the software issues to the big yonge station underpinning debacle...
if there was no issue they wouldve announced the 3 month countdown by now since they are at 99% completion. not to mention isnt it about time they give us the monthly update as they did before and was promised? did that die with verster's dismissal?
 
I would be taking bets that Ford is going to announce an opening date for the Crosstown as an election move, or as a reaction to another politician making a statement about it.
 
I would be taking bets that Ford is going to announce an opening date for the Crosstown as an election move, or as a reaction to another politician making a statement about it.
This has been floated so many times... considering that the TTC has said Summer is the earliest they could open it, I highly doubt Ford will announce anything.

Plus, what impact will it have? You think the majority of his base that live in the 905 or rural areas of the province care about the Crosstown?
 
The NDP might raise it, but I'd imagine both Ford and the Liberals will avoid talking the crosstown during the election. All they could do is trade barbs over who's more at fault for this dragging on forever. Although I did read somewhere the TTC thought way back in 2012 the timeline was unrealistic, and that 2023-2024 would have been the earliest opening, so maybe it's because politicians sold an unrealistic plan in the first place.
 
This has been floated so many times... considering that the TTC has said Summer is the earliest they could open it, I highly doubt Ford will announce anything.

Plus, what impact will it have? You think the majority of his base that live in the 905 or rural areas of the province care about the Crosstown?
I feel like he would try to swing it like "look at this huge project that is opening soon, we finished it"

Although saying it like that, I see how it could be twisted the other way very very quickly.....
 
This has been floated so many times... considering that the TTC has said Summer is the earliest they could open it, I highly doubt Ford will announce anything.

Plus, what impact will it have? You think the majority of his base that live in the 905 or rural areas of the province care about the Crosstown?
I mean it’s not like Ford could force the TTC hand and order them to open the line when it’s not ready……..

Or maybe he could 🤣
 
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It's election time. Gotta keep it quiet until Doug has a fresh 4-year mandate, then they can spill the bad news.
Indeed, it won’t make for happy, complacent voters if the Crosstown opens next month and quickly fails, stranding people mid tunnel.
 
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The signal system being used on the Crosstown is a Bombardier (now Alstom) product called Cityflo 650 on the tunneled sections, and (IIRC) Cityflo 350 on the surface portion. It's an off-the-shelf product that has been used in many, many different cities on many, many different lines, although the 650 - the fully automated one providing ATC/ATO - frequently on unmanned "people mover" type of systems. But this is by no means it's first transit application, not by a long shot.

As pointed out, Finch West is using a version of Hitachi's (formerly Thales) Seltrac product. It's a totally different system, although it is functionally identical to the Cityflo 350 product - and nothing at all like the version of Seltrac formerly used on the Scarborough RT.

Because the two systems are completely independent from the other, there should be no possibility of any failure in one propagating to the other. I say should, as I don't know how the scheduling functions have been integrated into the two systems. If they are centrally controlled - like the existing subway lines - than there remains a potential common failure mode there.


Except that the migration point between the two systems is not the problem. In fact, it's worked flawlessly since the last upgrade in August/September.

Dan
Thanks for the all the detail.
Is your understanding that the two software systems are not connecting with each other via an API? I would assume they need to communicate with each other? This sounds equal parts easily solvable and highly complex lol, any software engineers care to chime in?

FWIW I've heard Finch is completely finished but Metrolinx/TTC priority is solely on Eglinton and as such no drivers have been trained for Finch...make of that what you will.
 
When all is said and done, I find it hilarious how Sheppard will have a full fledged subway one day from Sheppard West to potentially Morningside, while Toronto's midtown will have a grey streetcar.

Just wanted to be that troll.

Carry on.
Nothing is more anxiety inducing in the world of Toronto transit than thinking about the fact that we had started construction on a subway along Eglinton, cancelled it, switched gears, and opted to construct a streetcar instead of restarting subway construction.
 
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